Hi Cerissimo, Nat to Green voter, did I read you right? Well done and welcome – I’ve only just read your post, and I thought it showed great good sense. These are things we should all be thinking of.

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There are plenty of economic renewable opportunities in NZ. Trevor – final reports for Phase 1 of the Commission’s Transmission to Enables Renewables study work were published in July this year http://www.electricitycommission.govt.nz/opdev/transmis/renewables1#final-report-on-the

Appendix 4 is the Connell Wagner report on economic wind resources for both North and South Islands, App 2 is existing and potential geothermal in NZ and App 3 outlines (gulp) potential hydro schemes.

And the report on the development of marine energy in NZ was published recently http://www.electricitycommission.govt.nz/opdev/transmis/renewables2/

GW Denier might also like to read some earlier renewable energy assessments of different regions, carried out by EECA and SKM http://www.eeca.govt.nz/renewable-energy/regional-renewable-energy-assessments.htm

Sorry for all the links but I get really annoyed when people make comments like we can’t get “enuf” electricity from renewable sources, without doing their homework first.

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An estimate of the total North Island economic wind resource is 6.4GW or 22.5 GWHr/annum
http://www.electricitycommission.govt.nz/pdfs/opdev/transmis/pdfsconsultation/renewables/Economic-Wind-Resource-Study.pdf

The South Island estimate hadn’t been done at the time this report was generated, but I would guess that the total New Zealand resource would be over 10GW or 30 GWHr/annum, i.e. more than our current peak demand and around 75% of our annual demand.

The laugh is on you GW Denier.

Trevor.

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OK, so who here would be happy if the standard of living stayed more or less the same, farmers made quality dollars from having quality organic produce, even sold here in NZ rather than us buying imported chemical laden shit? hmmm.
Schools that taught things like self sustainability? OMG you must be kidding!
seriously though, we made things out of wood, metal, home economics when i was entering my teens in the early 90′s. So why was i never taught the basics of growing a garden in my own back yard?
I’m a pro now of course, my grandparents are always happy to tell me how to do it properly.
Vege gardens certainly reduce the carbon cost, miles traveled to get to your plate. (about 15 metres for me)
And you know the only bad thing on it is hopefully a bit of cat pee? if you’re doing it organically of course.
Even if there is a communist/ socialist attitude floating around, how is that going to bugger NZ up? Shouldn’t we be giving a shit about people less fortunate than ourselves? We all live pretty well on average. There are ridiculously wealthy people who could probably help hundreds of struggling families without probably noticing a few dollars missing.
I know there are people who expect handouts, and they need a good kick in the pants. compulsory military training as a core requirement of unemployment benefit? Definitely for single young men and women with nothing else. We need a bit of intestinal fortitude in a government.
Or they can just sit on their ass and get $$ for nothing?

I donate time and money to many people and causes now i’ve decided i don’t need to build an empire to get by in this world. lucky me.
It’s going to be an odd election for me to get my head round, I’ve only ever gone blue the past 3… I don’t think either major party has any real control on our standard of living.. I do though. I’m counting on myself.

I’ve turned green, at least i know what i’m getting. I have no idea with the others? empire building and fluffing their own nests seems standard?
Dunne and Peters must surely be a shining example of that? last bets are a wee way off yet though.

I guess everyone needs to ask themselves, if they had so much money they didn’t know what to do with it, would they help out friends or family perhaps in the first instance? good place to start. What difference would it make to you?
World economies are not going to continue to grow. there is going to be a massive turn around. Whether due to natural disasters? fossil fuel shortages? food shortages/famine?
Take a look around people and wake up, we’re pretty isolated from the things mentioned above.
“Growth” is not sustainable forever. Sooner that is realized, the softer the fall will be.
Suck it up, you know what the standard of living will be like if 1st world countries start to have issues like food shortages/ fuel shortages.
Are we that dependent on importing here? can i have some number 8 fence wire please, i’ll do it myself thanks.

We collectively need to get sharper, not bigger.

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“So fears that the market for organic produce is flat due to the global recession are meaningless. The Clean Green brand, if backed up by truly clean and green produce, could be a world beater”.

Why do you make these baseless assumptions and pass them off as fact? Britain is experiencing a downturn in organic consumption as the recession bites. It will get a lot worse.

What is the market for organic produce shipped from the other side of the world? Best revise your “Buy Local” stance, for starters.

More importantly, what is the landed cost? What are the margins?

It is far more likely that cheap food will be in demand for the foreseeable future.

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GW Denier – The Electricity Commission would not appear to agree with you. They are considering scenarios with 2000MW (6915GWHr/annum) of new wind generation being added between 2006 and 2016:
http://www.electricitycommission.govt.nz/pdfs/opdev/comqual/windgen/wind-scenarios-Jun06.pdf
(hopefully this link is correct)
This is still only a fraction of the available wind resource.

And then there are our marine resources – wave, tidal flow and salinity gradient – each of which has the potential to supply at least as much as our current electricity consumption.

Of course electric trains do not require anything like this amount of power.

Trevor.

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Turnip – we sure are heading that way.

The Greens do not have a clue how to build the economy at all. They think taxing business, employees and having more buses are the recipie to growth, they are deluded. The biggest laugh is electric trains, where will the electricity generation come from as they are opposed to coal/gas plants being built. Windmills will not generate enuf electricity.

We need better roads and less emphasis on lemon routes like the North Shore busway, which is not well used ouside commuting times. The money would have been better used on better roading for the North Shore.

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I think BJ will only be happy when NZ is a nice third world country with everyone “equally” living in squalor with everyone else.

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On current form our standard of living is going to decrease no matter WHO gets into power.

So your point is what exactly?

BJ

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bjchip – you may have higher standards than Kiwiblog, but one standard that will be lower if the Greens get into power will be our standard of living.

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Oh come on frog tell the truth you are just dying to confiscate all that foreign owned property.

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GW Denier – Posting while drunk? That onanistic right-wing rhetoric goes well over on kiwiblog. We have higher standards here.
BJ

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distention is an awful thing big bro – take baking soda in a glass of water and have a lie down.

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GW

“Come on GW – contribute to the thread or shut up. Name calling is just rude.”

Yeah come on, distention is not something that will be tolerated under a Labour/Green govt, name calling is rude unless you are attacking somebody from the right.

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Come on GW – contribute to the thread or shut up. Name calling is just rude.

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GW Denier – don’t be silly – it’s Goddess!

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Greens are all about compulsion as they only answer to the great god Gaia. You think Labour are control freaks, wait for Labour/Greens.

Remember, they have a lot of communist ideolouges in the party and they don’t change their spots. Hence freedom is a foreign concept to the Greens. Ban, ban, ban, then regulate, regulate, regulate.

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Support removing the economic barriers that prevent people converting to organic management of their land (eg. supporting payment of price premiums or suspensory loans during transition to full organic certification)

…is not compulsion.

I do wonder about

As first steps towards this target, the Green Party will encourage development of minimum sustainability standards for all sectors

that, though.

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More compulsion on the way. Who will pay for the farmers to go organic? The tax payer with subsidies to the ag sector or farmers? What will you do if the farmers tell you to get fucked, nationalise the farms like Comrad Stalin?

You Greens are just a bunch of control freaks, thinking you are playing monopoly with my taxes.

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