31 thoughts on “National – Turning Kiwis into Aussies

  1. A Union with Australia would be great. We pretty much have one already, albeit unofficial….

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  2. Yawnn…. boot out the Queen and become a state of Australia: that’s the first ten minutes in power filled, what next ???

    I’m not clear what your position on this is Frog ? I imagine bering pro-Treaty of Waitangi you jokers would be against a union ?

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  3. There is no down side to a union with Aussie.

    We get a decent currency,
    We get a proper education system that is not hampered with PC crap.
    We get an honourable Labour party as a govt albeit soon to be routed at the next election.
    We get mineral wealth
    We get a Police force that has guns as standard issue
    We get rid of the treaty
    And best of all….

    We get a cricket team that actually wins!

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  4. BB, most of this is rubbish.

    But I will agree with you on the cricket aspect of your post.

    Currently 83 runs to win with 5 wickets remaining against Bangladesh is a very bad look, and the Black Caps could still lose.

    This is likely the only thing we could learn a bit from the Aussies about.

    But I have no desire to learn about uranium mining and an energy industry dependent on coal!

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  5. Come on Toad

    There is a lot more that I did not bother listing as well.

    Mining is great, but leaving that aside the other benefits could be…

    We get John O’Neil instead of Steve Tew
    We get a soccer team that can make the World Cup finals
    We win more than two Olympic Golds
    We immediately increase the standard of our woman, even you must admit that Aussie chicks are way hotter than ours.
    We get a Parliament that acts like Adults and not kids
    We get an Air Force…with real planes to fly
    We get to play our part in the war on terror instead of being gutless wimps sponging off the few brave nations doing something about it.
    We get a free trade deal with the Yanks
    We get lower fuel prices
    We get higher wages

    There is plenty we can learn from the Aussie’s, their mental attitude for a start, they are a nation of winner where as we have become a nation of losers and bludgers.

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  6. Well, if you accept that part of the equation, then you accept that the Greens are heading us out towards Zimbabwe. Another watermelon. How ironic.

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  7. Toad – Norman is not going to add any value to NZ, He will just add cost.
    The Greens are just a facard for the Communist Party, using environmentalism as a weapon to control the population. All the Greens want is to ban, regulate and change our lifestyle to a boring routine. Even telling us we should consider the environment when we think of having children. (But it is ok for the refugees to breed like rabbits).
    These are all communist traits.

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  8. Big Bro wrote:

    >We get a Parliament that acts like Adults and not kids

    BB, have you ever actually listened to the proceedings of the Australian Parliament?

    > We get an Air Force…with real planes to fly

    which is a lot of fun, I’m sure, but fighter planes aren’t actually that useful against terrorist cells.

    > We get to play our part in the war on terror instead of being gutless wimps sponging off the few brave nations doing something about it.

    wow, we get to kill Iraqis in retaliation for an attack carried out by a group of Saudis and Egyptians who met and planned their attack in Germany under the leadership of a Saudi man living in Afghanistan. that really makes sense!

    > We get a free trade deal with the Yanks

    … so skewed in the US’s favour that our terms of trade with them would actually get worse.

    > We get lower fuel prices

    Yeah right. The only way a union with Aussie could give us lower fuel prices is if the Aussie dollar ended up even more overvalued than ours has been lately, in which case it would bankrupt even more of our exporters by making them internationally uncompetitive.

    > We get higher wages

    correction – we would get to be part of a country where the national average wage would be higher, but the wages paid in our bit of it wouldn’t get any higher.

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  9. I think the point here is that we can head back towards Zimbabwe or we can head forward towards Australia. No one would claim that Australia is the perfect country, but at least in terms of the economy they are well ahead of NZ.

    We need to get our heads our of our butts and start rowing in the right direction, or our country will be torn apart by its proximity to a much richer, better managed and less taxed nation. Either that or repeal CER and close the borders.

    Go take a look at Mexico and what happened there. They are MUCH poorer than us, but we are falling behind Aus at a truly alarming rate. In a generation it could look very ugly for us. The land, the businesses and all our capital will be owned by rich Aussie tourists, and and we will no longer be in control of our destiny.

    Environmentalists carry the most blame for this. Virtually every policy is taking us backwards towards oblivion. What is amazing is that they actually think this is a good thing.

    The original signpost on your website is remarkable when you consider that every item on it is supposed to be a ‘good’. In actual fact there is a good case to be made for each that it is a ‘bad’. That you would promote such policies with a straight face speaks volumes.

    Also I think your post above is patently incorrect. Copying Aus’s success is a huge vote winner.

    The Optimist

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  10. See Norm has slagged Key off for being a currency trader on Cambell Live tonight. Just like Cullen, what a complete wanker. Rich Pricks, tax them all.

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  11. Has any asked if New Zealand would be welcomed into the Australian federation?

    Heck they may not want a basket case!!

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  12. Gerrit: Have a look at the Acts which established the Australian federation. In the opinion of some legal scholars, New Zealand can choose to join without the consent of the rest of Australia.

    Most people forget that Australia became a country much later than New Zealand, even though European settlement was earlier, and that at the time New Zealand was a lot more prosperous and seen as a desirable addition to the fold.

    The Optimist: So your spare planet is where?

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  13. Er, what did happen in Mexico?

    “The land, the businesses and all our capital will be owned by rich Aussie tourists,”

    Ironically, you and the Greens seem to agree that foreigners buying into NZ is a bad thing.

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  14. >Ironically, you and the Greens seem to agree that foreigners buying into NZ is a bad thing.

    Of course having your destiny set by another country isn’t a great idea. The way to stop that is to build a strong economy and create some wealth in NZ so we can own our own assets and companies.

    The environmentalists seem to think we can just ban foreign ownership.

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  15. “…create some wealth in NZ so we can own our own assets and companies.”

    …in other countries? Heh.

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  16. Re Mexico – a very poor country next to a very rich one. About 10% of their population now lives in the USA, and 1 in every 7 workers migrates there.

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/05/21/MNGFQIVNAF1.DTL

    We have a similar situation with Aus, although not yet as bad, largely because the standard of living difference is not as dramatic.

    I don’t think this is very hard material to understand!

    You can put your heads in the sand and worry about silly environmental scare stories, but in 20 years time when all the stories have faded away our children will be much more worried about what we did about the economy.

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  17. Optimist –

    Building a strong economy here means investing OUR money here, and screw the rest of the world. Which, oddly enough, is Green policy and agreed by National of all groups. It means being independent of energy imports and the resulting price instability. Our economic situation has little to do with the sins of environmentalism and everything to do with the distorted version of capitalism that was practiced here and perfected in most of the rest of the world Which rather explains the perfect storm of economic difficulties it currently is experiencing.

    respectfully
    BJ

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  18. “in 20 years time when all the stories have faded away our children will be much more worried about what we did about the economy”

    they’ll be worried about all the messes we’re creating for them now, but in 40 to 60 to 100 years our descendents will certainly be more worried about our environment.

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  19. Kahikatea

    wow, we get to kill Iraqis in retaliation for an attack carried out by a group of Saudis and Egyptians who met and planned their attack in Germany under the leadership of a Saudi man living in Afghanistan. that really makes sense!

    You forgot to mention that he was initially trained & financed by the US

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  20. nommopilot

    My sixteen year old thinks it is hilarious that we oldies (anybody over 30 is an “oldie” in his eyes) were taken in by the Y2K scam.
    In 20 years time our kids will fall about laughing that this generation was so mind numbingly stupid to be taken in by the climate change con.

    The will ask us “how come you guys did not speak out against this con, how come you let the socialists and communists wreck the economy in their naked lust for power”?

    They will also ask how it was that NZ elected a corrupt Labour PM for nine years and how the Yanks were so stupid as to elect Obama…….. but thats another story.

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  21. I love Australia and have great Australian friends and family members too – but we aren’t Australian and wouldn’t be even if we tried.

    For example, what BB describes as PC rubbish is (I think) the rather adult acceptance of the indigenous people as equals – in contrast to the uneasy situation in Oz where indigenous Australians are really at the bottom of the heap.

    The situation around water is dire and not looking to get better.

    A lot of farmland is unusable because of water shortage and salt pan both due to unsustainable farming practice.

    Of course we should always have a good friendly relationship with Oz, but maintain our identity too.

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  22. # michaela Says:
    October 22nd, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    > Kahikatea

    > You forgot to mention that he was initially trained & financed by the US

    and Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction were supplied by the US too. Hold the presses, folks! I think we’ve found that missing connection between Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden ofter all.

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  23. > Building a strong economy here means investing OUR money here, and screw the rest of the world.

    Without putting too fine a point on it, we don’t have any money. We have a current account deficit in the billions. Capital inflows have been going on for years.

    Which is my point. We need to worry less about environmentalist scams and more about generating some serious wealth for us and future generations.

    We need to mine all the coal we can find. drill for oil, and get some serious power generating running. The snails will just have to cope.

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  24. If he said ‘currency trader’, then it was probably to do with it being a risky business, wouldn’t you say? If he wanted ‘rich’ he could’ve just said ‘Key has a house in Hawai’i ‘ or something.

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  25. Optimist

    I didn’t say it was easy and I didn’t say it wouldn’t hurt but there isn’t a fncking way in hell you are going to “attract investment” from overseas to “grow” this economy over the next few years.

    If you build on the sands of credit whatever you build WILL collapse. “Growth at any cost” does not work in the long run. It works for debt based banking capitalism, but it doesn’t work for anyone else. Especially not on a planet that is already 20-50% over its sustainable carrying capacity.

    You are wrong to say we have “no money”. We’ve been borrowing to buy overpriced fncking houses and shipping the interest overpayments to Oz as though it actually was a sane thing to do. That’s because that process makes money for the debt capitalism the banks love so well. We’ve borrowed to build stuff we didn’t need and we’ve failed utterly to build the society we did need but we’ve done better than most other countries on the planet simply because we AREN’T overpopulated…. yet, and we only have a few people who really enjoy pretentious wealth. Our GINI index is too high and we’re not really investing in ourselves very well, but there are a lot of places in worse shape.

    When you have a spare planet to serve as a control we can experiment.

    respectfully
    BJ

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  26. Fantastic idea! I would be all for it, except for one thing; the arid place is full of bluidy Australians

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