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	<title>Comments on: Cowboy justice</title>
	<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/10/06/cowboy-justice/</link>
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		<title>By: Valis</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/10/06/cowboy-justice/#comment-59756</link>
		<dc:creator>Valis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 09:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/10/06/cowboy-justice/#comment-59756</guid>
		<description>I believe we do this now, though in a piecemeal way as issues arise, and I'm not claiming to the depth that you'd like.  But that's the point I guess.  You'd like us to make this issue number one, but while we probably agree on almost all the specifics, it is obvious that we don't see this as the most compelling issue of the day.  That's why I think its good that the ALCP promotes its agenda in the political realm. But I am offended when ALCPers claim we've betrayed anyone and are no longer working for this common goal.  It is particularly bad to have such a war when our combined voting power is too small to withstand such a feud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe we do this now, though in a piecemeal way as issues arise, and I&#8217;m not claiming to the depth that you&#8217;d like.  But that&#8217;s the point I guess.  You&#8217;d like us to make this issue number one, but while we probably agree on almost all the specifics, it is obvious that we don&#8217;t see this as the most compelling issue of the day.  That&#8217;s why I think its good that the ALCP promotes its agenda in the political realm. But I am offended when ALCPers claim we&#8217;ve betrayed anyone and are no longer working for this common goal.  It is particularly bad to have such a war when our combined voting power is too small to withstand such a feud.</p>
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		<title>By: weedeater</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/10/06/cowboy-justice/#comment-59691</link>
		<dc:creator>weedeater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 05:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/10/06/cowboy-justice/#comment-59691</guid>
		<description>Valis - very good  to see the greens still support legal reguation ("Introduce a legal age limit of 18 years for personal cannabis use.") - 

but what is needed is the best minds in the green party activist mix ACTUALLY linking problems of Justice, Health, Law and Order, Crime and Punishment, Social Justice, Truth, Freedom, Honest Policing, and Envirionment to the War on Drugs - Linking all these 'holistially' to the Green reform postition on cannabis. 

Is that too much to ask in this day and age?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Valis - very good  to see the greens still support legal reguation (&#8221;Introduce a legal age limit of 18 years for personal cannabis use.&#8221;) - </p>
<p>but what is needed is the best minds in the green party activist mix ACTUALLY linking problems of Justice, Health, Law and Order, Crime and Punishment, Social Justice, Truth, Freedom, Honest Policing, and Envirionment to the War on Drugs - Linking all these &#8216;holistially&#8217; to the Green reform postition on cannabis. </p>
<p>Is that too much to ask in this day and age?</p>
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		<title>By: Valis</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/10/06/cowboy-justice/#comment-59572</link>
		<dc:creator>Valis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/10/06/cowboy-justice/#comment-59572</guid>
		<description>"No party can be serious about crime and punishment by ommitting drug policy. End of story. Everything else will just confuse you."

Blair4Mayor, I just saw this post from yesterday.  Our drug policy, which focuses on harm minimisation is here: http://www.test.greens.org.nz/policy/summary/drugs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;No party can be serious about crime and punishment by ommitting drug policy. End of story. Everything else will just confuse you.&#8221;</p>
<p>Blair4Mayor, I just saw this post from yesterday.  Our drug policy, which focuses on harm minimisation is here: <a href="http://www.test.greens.org.nz/policy/summary/drugs" >http://www.test.greens.org.nz/policy/summary/drugs</a></p>
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		<title>By: Valis</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/10/06/cowboy-justice/#comment-59551</link>
		<dc:creator>Valis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/10/06/cowboy-justice/#comment-59551</guid>
		<description>"Subject: Application of Tino Rangitiratanga; Valis recommends:?"

I've read bits here and there over the years and so asked some Greens involved in this area for some specific recommendations.  Here are the first few:

Fleras, A. and P. Spoonley, Recalling Aotearoa: Indigenous Politics and Ethnic Relations in New Zealand, Auckland: Oxford Univ. Press, 1999. This comes with a warning that while good, it is rather academic in style.

Then there's a DVD by Richard Green called Te Whare, available from the Treaty Resource Centre website www.trc.org.nz.  Could be available in some libraries I suppose.  The recommendation was to follow this with "Ka whaiwhai tonu matou' by Ranginui Walker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Subject: Application of Tino Rangitiratanga; Valis recommends:?&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read bits here and there over the years and so asked some Greens involved in this area for some specific recommendations.  Here are the first few:</p>
<p>Fleras, A. and P. Spoonley, Recalling Aotearoa: Indigenous Politics and Ethnic Relations in New Zealand, Auckland: Oxford Univ. Press, 1999. This comes with a warning that while good, it is rather academic in style.</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s a DVD by Richard Green called Te Whare, available from the Treaty Resource Centre website <a href="http://www.trc.org.nz." >http://www.trc.org.nz.</a>  Could be available in some libraries I suppose.  The recommendation was to follow this with &#8220;Ka whaiwhai tonu matou&#8217; by Ranginui Walker.</p>
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		<title>By: Blair4Mayor</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/10/06/cowboy-justice/#comment-59510</link>
		<dc:creator>Blair4Mayor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 04:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/10/06/cowboy-justice/#comment-59510</guid>
		<description>&#62;  Lets give the Police force the powers they need to deal with crime;

1.Tasers.  
2.Handguns.
3.Greater arrest and detention powers.
4.More police on the street and less collecting revenue.
5.Remove all the PC nonsense that hampers their ability to gain a conviction.
6.Stop and search powers.

How about enabling some community respect towards policing, respect civil rights not to be surveiled, narc'ed, and snitched, cease militarising the streets and escalating the arms war, use what police we have more effectively instead of the false belief that one more cop will make us incrementally 'safer', when the sign of sucessful public policy would be one less cop required. 

Those who clamour for more police and voting anywhere they are offered are voting for policy failure. 

Reiterating again... the highly indicated 'crime prevention' is wholesale reform of the 'war on drugs' and all its consequences. 

It doesnt take courage, it takes common sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;  Lets give the Police force the powers they need to deal with crime;</p>
<p>1.Tasers.<br />
2.Handguns.<br />
3.Greater arrest and detention powers.<br />
4.More police on the street and less collecting revenue.<br />
5.Remove all the PC nonsense that hampers their ability to gain a conviction.<br />
6.Stop and search powers.</p>
<p>How about enabling some community respect towards policing, respect civil rights not to be surveiled, narc&#8217;ed, and snitched, cease militarising the streets and escalating the arms war, use what police we have more effectively instead of the false belief that one more cop will make us incrementally &#8217;safer&#8217;, when the sign of sucessful public policy would be one less cop required. </p>
<p>Those who clamour for more police and voting anywhere they are offered are voting for policy failure. </p>
<p>Reiterating again&#8230; the highly indicated &#8216;crime prevention&#8217; is wholesale reform of the &#8216;war on drugs&#8217; and all its consequences. </p>
<p>It doesnt take courage, it takes common sense.</p>
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		<title>By: jh</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/10/06/cowboy-justice/#comment-59501</link>
		<dc:creator>jh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 03:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/10/06/cowboy-justice/#comment-59501</guid>
		<description>#  Valis Says:
October 7th, 2008 at 12:17 pm


Well not with me, jh. I said I’d had enough a few weeks ago and recommended you read one of the many good books on the subject to educate yourself. Good luck with that.
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Subject: Application of Tino Rangitiratanga; Valis recommends:?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#  Valis Says:<br />
October 7th, 2008 at 12:17 pm</p>
<p>Well not with me, jh. I said I’d had enough a few weeks ago and recommended you read one of the many good books on the subject to educate yourself. Good luck with that.<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..<br />
Subject: Application of Tino Rangitiratanga; Valis recommends:?</p>
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		<title>By: Valis</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/10/06/cowboy-justice/#comment-59489</link>
		<dc:creator>Valis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 02:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/10/06/cowboy-justice/#comment-59489</guid>
		<description>"As we have well established on this blog before, one persons good parental dicipline is another persons bad parental abuse.

So that mild smack on the bum in “pack n save” all comes down to which side of the fence the police officer investigating happens to fall on."

Yes, but they are trained and not given leeway to do whatever they like.  That there have been so few reports of police overstepping, could suggest they aren't being strict enough?  Still, I'll take it over big bro's shoot first approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As we have well established on this blog before, one persons good parental dicipline is another persons bad parental abuse.</p>
<p>So that mild smack on the bum in “pack n save” all comes down to which side of the fence the police officer investigating happens to fall on.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, but they are trained and not given leeway to do whatever they like.  That there have been so few reports of police overstepping, could suggest they aren&#8217;t being strict enough?  Still, I&#8217;ll take it over big bro&#8217;s shoot first approach.</p>
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		<title>By: Hokihew</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/10/06/cowboy-justice/#comment-59468</link>
		<dc:creator>Hokihew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/10/06/cowboy-justice/#comment-59468</guid>
		<description>Strings, "flicked" was the fathers claim.  People who witnessed the event had another version : one of whom was a policeman if I remember.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strings, &#8220;flicked&#8221; was the fathers claim.  People who witnessed the event had another version : one of whom was a policeman if I remember.</p>
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		<title>By: big bro</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/10/06/cowboy-justice/#comment-59461</link>
		<dc:creator>big bro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/10/06/cowboy-justice/#comment-59461</guid>
		<description>Lets give the Police force the powers they need to deal with crime;

1.Tasers. 
2.Handguns.
3.Greater arrest and detention powers.
4.More police on the street and less collecting revenue.
5.Remove all the PC nonsense that hampers their ability to gain a conviction.
6.Stop and search powers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets give the Police force the powers they need to deal with crime;</p>
<p>1.Tasers.<br />
2.Handguns.<br />
3.Greater arrest and detention powers.<br />
4.More police on the street and less collecting revenue.<br />
5.Remove all the PC nonsense that hampers their ability to gain a conviction.<br />
6.Stop and search powers.</p>
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		<title>By: Shunda barunda</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/10/06/cowboy-justice/#comment-59456</link>
		<dc:creator>Shunda barunda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/10/06/cowboy-justice/#comment-59456</guid>
		<description>Valis it does open up some serious questions on police power and interpretation of the law.
As we have well established on this blog before, one persons good parental dicipline is another persons bad parental abuse.
So that mild smack on the bum in "pack n save" all comes down to which side of the fence the police officer investigating happens to fall on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Valis it does open up some serious questions on police power and interpretation of the law.<br />
As we have well established on this blog before, one persons good parental dicipline is another persons bad parental abuse.<br />
So that mild smack on the bum in &#8220;pack n save&#8221; all comes down to which side of the fence the police officer investigating happens to fall on.</p>
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