Comments on: ‘Bzzt, bang’ or ‘bang, bzzt’? http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/08/28/%e2%80%98bzzt-bang%e2%80%99-or-%e2%80%98bang-bzzt%e2%80%99/ hopping along the corridors of power Fri, 09 Jan 2009 23:46:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Trevor29 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/08/28/%e2%80%98bzzt-bang%e2%80%99-or-%e2%80%98bang-bzzt%e2%80%99/#comment-55439 Trevor29 Sat, 30 Aug 2008 04:53:35 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/08/28/%e2%80%98bzzt-bang%e2%80%99-or-%e2%80%98bang-bzzt%e2%80%99/#comment-55439 The camera on the tazer starts recording when the tazer is switched on, not when it is fired. Therefore it will usually capture what happened before it was fired. My understanding is that it also records sound, but I could be wrong. Trevor. The camera on the tazer starts recording when the tazer is switched on, not when it is fired. Therefore it will usually capture what happened before it was fired. My understanding is that it also records sound, but I could be wrong.

Trevor.

]]> By: joy http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/08/28/%e2%80%98bzzt-bang%e2%80%99-or-%e2%80%98bang-bzzt%e2%80%99/#comment-55390 joy Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:59:00 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/08/28/%e2%80%98bzzt-bang%e2%80%99-or-%e2%80%98bang-bzzt%e2%80%99/#comment-55390 dbuckley, I am unsure as to why I would not like your opinion. Yes, I do support the introduction of Tasers for use by the police. The current breed of criminals are particularly violent and need more than an arm wrestle to be brought into custody. Better a taser than a gun. Definitely. And yes, my family (who does include a plocieman) is well aware that Stephen Wallace is highly likely to have survived a taser incident. By the by, re: W Peters, John Key really only said he would not have Peters in his Govt as a minister unless Peters is cleared by the SFO. Not exactly a com[plete "NO". As usual, JK left wriggle room. dbuckley,

I am unsure as to why I would not like your opinion. Yes, I do support the introduction of Tasers for use by the police. The current breed of criminals are particularly violent and need more than an arm wrestle to be brought into custody.

Better a taser than a gun. Definitely. And yes, my family (who does include a plocieman) is well aware that Stephen Wallace is highly likely to have survived a taser incident.

By the by, re: W Peters, John Key really only said he would not have Peters in his Govt as a minister unless Peters is cleared by the SFO. Not exactly a com[plete “NO”. As usual, JK left wriggle room.

]]> By: Sapient http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/08/28/%e2%80%98bzzt-bang%e2%80%99-or-%e2%80%98bang-bzzt%e2%80%99/#comment-55336 Sapient Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:28:16 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/08/28/%e2%80%98bzzt-bang%e2%80%99-or-%e2%80%98bang-bzzt%e2%80%99/#comment-55336 I would rather cameras on the bobbys, if a camera on the taser is only activated apon usage then it doesint capture the situation which justifies the usage, or neccacarily the usage itself. Plus bobby camera footage would be able to be used for court cases. Bring back the bobby hat :P . I would rather cameras on the bobbys, if a camera on the taser is only activated apon usage then it doesint capture the situation which justifies the usage, or neccacarily the usage itself. Plus bobby camera footage would be able to be used for court cases.

Bring back the bobby hat :P .

]]> By: dad4justice http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/08/28/%e2%80%98bzzt-bang%e2%80%99-or-%e2%80%98bang-bzzt%e2%80%99/#comment-55333 dad4justice Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:09:44 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/08/28/%e2%80%98bzzt-bang%e2%80%99-or-%e2%80%98bang-bzzt%e2%80%99/#comment-55333 Oh well, I do wish police would put camera's on their guns. RIP Stephen B. Oh well, I do wish police would put camera’s on their guns.
RIP Stephen B.

]]> By: Trevor29 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/08/28/%e2%80%98bzzt-bang%e2%80%99-or-%e2%80%98bang-bzzt%e2%80%99/#comment-55332 Trevor29 Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:50:39 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/08/28/%e2%80%98bzzt-bang%e2%80%99-or-%e2%80%98bang-bzzt%e2%80%99/#comment-55332 I am all for giving the police tazers providing they are properly trained in the use, and are made aware that every time they use one, they may kill someone. In addition, I want to see a mandetory review of the camera footage whenever a tazer is fired, similar to any other officer-involved shooting. It is the camera that sways me. The fact that the police now have good reason to video an incident should lead to better justice. Offenders have less chance of complaining about "police brutality" if their own actions are caught on camera, and individual police officers will think twice about misusing the tazer if they know that their actions will be also caught on camera and scrutinised. Trevor. I am all for giving the police tazers providing they are properly trained in the use, and are made aware that every time they use one, they may kill someone. In addition, I want to see a mandetory review of the camera footage whenever a tazer is fired, similar to any other officer-involved shooting.

It is the camera that sways me. The fact that the police now have good reason to video an incident should lead to better justice. Offenders have less chance of complaining about “police brutality” if their own actions are caught on camera, and individual police officers will think twice about misusing the tazer if they know that their actions will be also caught on camera and scrutinised.

Trevor.

]]> By: Sapient http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/08/28/%e2%80%98bzzt-bang%e2%80%99-or-%e2%80%98bang-bzzt%e2%80%99/#comment-55259 Sapient Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:02:22 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/08/28/%e2%80%98bzzt-bang%e2%80%99-or-%e2%80%98bang-bzzt%e2%80%99/#comment-55259 eredwen, and the weird white leather boots with the sharp pokky things on the back. eredwen,
and the weird white leather boots with the sharp pokky things on the back.

]]> By: SPC http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/08/28/%e2%80%98bzzt-bang%e2%80%99-or-%e2%80%98bang-bzzt%e2%80%99/#comment-55253 SPC Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:56:08 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/08/28/%e2%80%98bzzt-bang%e2%80%99-or-%e2%80%98bang-bzzt%e2%80%99/#comment-55253 My view is that police who have been trained to use firearms should be able to use tasers. In the same circumstances, where such decisive force is required, the officer has to decide whether to use a taser or a gun (one would presume that those officers receving training would be also given cues for deciding which to use). This requires training to be maintained, rather than any officer being given a taser. Thus it is less likely that tasers would become a substitute for pepper spray, more as an alternative to use of the gun - which most police would wish to avoid. My view is that police who have been trained to use firearms should be able to use tasers.

In the same circumstances, where such decisive force is required, the officer has to decide whether to use a taser or a gun (one would presume that those officers receving training would be also given cues for deciding which to use).

This requires training to be maintained, rather than any officer being given a taser. Thus it is less likely that tasers would become a substitute for pepper spray, more as an alternative to use of the gun - which most police would wish to avoid.

]]> By: jh http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/08/28/%e2%80%98bzzt-bang%e2%80%99-or-%e2%80%98bang-bzzt%e2%80%99/#comment-55252 jh Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:52:06 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/08/28/%e2%80%98bzzt-bang%e2%80%99-or-%e2%80%98bang-bzzt%e2%80%99/#comment-55252 # BluePeter Says: August 28th, 2008 at 10:38 am The Greenies like to pretend criminals are just misunderstood victims…. Perhaps a cup of green tea and a jolly good chat would bring him down from the tower? ..................... Stop lumping Greeinies and the Green Party together BP. [having said that they do try to mingle with us] :mrgreen: # BluePeter Says:
August 28th, 2008 at 10:38 am

The Greenies like to pretend criminals are just misunderstood victims….

Perhaps a cup of green tea and a jolly good chat would bring him down from the tower?
…………………
Stop lumping Greeinies and the Green Party together BP.
[having said that they do try to mingle with us]
:mrgreen:

]]> By: greengeek http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/08/28/%e2%80%98bzzt-bang%e2%80%99-or-%e2%80%98bang-bzzt%e2%80%99/#comment-55247 greengeek Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:32:05 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/08/28/%e2%80%98bzzt-bang%e2%80%99-or-%e2%80%98bang-bzzt%e2%80%99/#comment-55247 <blockquote>aw Says: August 28th, 2008 at 1:26 pm No-one has directly answered frog’s question. Tasers and firearms must be “as well as� not “instead of� because differnent situations will require different responses. </blockquote> Well done aw. Succinct and accurate. The case of the Stephen Wallace shooting in New Plymouth should provide all the evidence necessary that Tasers are a valuable ADDITION to the arsenal of the NZ Police. However, it remains to be seen if the training standards, and moral standards of the NZ Police enable them to avoid using the Tasers more frequently than they need to. I think intense scrutiny of their use will be well advised, and the camera attachments will be a good idea.

aw Says:
August 28th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
No-one has directly answered frog’s question. Tasers and firearms must be “as well as� not “instead of� because differnent situations will require different responses.

Well done aw. Succinct and accurate.

The case of the Stephen Wallace shooting in New Plymouth should provide all the evidence necessary that Tasers are a valuable ADDITION to the arsenal of the NZ Police.

However, it remains to be seen if the training standards, and moral standards of the NZ Police enable them to avoid using the Tasers more frequently than they need to.

I think intense scrutiny of their use will be well advised, and the camera attachments will be a good idea.

]]> By: eredwen http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/08/28/%e2%80%98bzzt-bang%e2%80%99-or-%e2%80%98bang-bzzt%e2%80%99/#comment-55239 eredwen Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:15:57 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/08/28/%e2%80%98bzzt-bang%e2%80%99-or-%e2%80%98bang-bzzt%e2%80%99/#comment-55239 Sapient Will you be wearing a big white cowboy hat ? Sapient

Will you be wearing a big white cowboy hat ?

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