Comments on: Rugby legend strikes out on s59

By: jh

jh — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 03:19:43 +0000

You go further than that (as do Phil etc) you project your own situation and ideas into others situations and declare that they should do as you do. That is just your opinion but Sue Bradford has tried to make her opinion law (banning smacking). It is just opinion as it isn’t backed by empirical evidence (ie that mild smacking is harmful or that there is a handier method for a busy mother).

By: Mr Dennis

Mr Dennis — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:26:55 +0000

Greenfly, that is exactly what I do.

By: greenfly

greenfly — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:12:50 +0000

Mr Dennis - you are an adult, use your mature judgement when it comes to managing children’s behaviour. I’m asking, when you feel the need to hit a child, allow your maturity to guide your actions. These recent developments are a step toward New Zealand’s maturity as a society.

By: Mr Dennis

Mr Dennis — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 20:43:36 +0000

Greenfly:
“Please don’t smack liitle humans - it may ‘ not have proved harmful’ in an Otago University study, but it don’t seem right to me.”

Should we be basing legislation on the results of detailed scientific studies, or on what “seems right” to some individuals such as Greenfly and Sue Bradford?

By: DougT

DougT — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 09:03:13 +0000

Ash,
Your reply about tazers has nothing to do with why I mentioned them in my last post.
If you can’t read what I wrote then how the hell do you even know what is writen in the amended section 59?
I’ll spell it out once again but that’s it.
If you think the police can’t be trusted with tazers then you must also think that they can’t be trusted to not drop a smacking charge as section 59 gives them the power to do. Which means that you must be against the amended section 59.

Stuey,
I’m taking your advice, I’ve wasted far too much time on this crap.
I should have realised that a political blog would be full of political debates rather than intellegent discussion. If I ever get the notion to get into this sort of thing again, I think I’ll just fork out the $45 and renew my Mensa membership.

By: Shunda barunda

Shunda barunda — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 05:39:56 +0000

Yes strings, the unedited version of super nanny would be very interesting indeed.

By: Strings

Strings — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:59:09 +0000

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>>never mind that most of the same people sit and watch ’super-nanny’ and other ‘toddler taming’ programs on TV and never ONCE is hitting/spanking/whacking kids used as a method of bringing even the most appallingly behaved kids into line.

Lights, camera action - NO Cut, you can’t hold him like that, be a bit more gentle, otherwise the message won’t get through!

COME ON FOLKS
SuperNanny is a TV entertainment show. There are at least three people that you NEVER see in the footage that is shown, the director, cameraman and sound-man. The entire thing is a set up, EXPLOITING CHILDREN - and you want to use it as an example of GOOD parenting! Sheesh!

Posted by Strings. I’ve helped raise 7 kids, and spent this last weekend with another 97. WHat have youy done to gain the experience needed to hold an informed view on this topic?

By: haz

haz — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:33:55 +0000

when i was a kid of about 9 or 10 i was crossing manchester street in chch with my parents. ahead of us was a family crossing at the same time- spread out over the crossing like a family of ducks and ducklings. at the rear was a little girl about 5 years old - i didn’t notice her father behind her until he quickly passed me and whacked the little girl across the top of her head and yelled ” get a move on !” at her. She got a hell of a fright as he’d come up behind her but my most enduring memory was that she didn’t cry but just carried on like a zombie - like she was really used to being hit.
My mother had a go at the guy when we got to the other side telling him it was wrong to hit little children especially about the head. I stood and watched as she got a mouthful of abuse from him and his wife ” don’t fuckin tell us what to do with our own kids”
I still remember that whack,the sound of it and the impact it made , it knocked her forward , and I often wonder about her . Imagine if she had a parent who held her hand across the road or who scooped her up in his arms and hugged her and carried her across that crossing.

By: jh

jh — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:39:54 +0000

[should be]
Those who assume (by implication) that they could hop into the other parents shoes and sort the family out:…. could they;should they…..[individual differences]?
Bottom line: the politicians (considered by the public to be down there with Real estate agents) pass a law that makes (mild) smacking illegal.

By: jh

jh — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:33:43 +0000

That’s where the “Suppernanny” meme comes in. Supernanny demonstrates how to deal with children without smacking.
Except that the status quo (your ordinary parents) are assumed to be the ignorant unwashed and there is no program on how they deal successfully with their families.
Having established (or at least spread a lot of doubt) that mild smacking isn’t harmful. The next thing would be to examine the role of (innate) individual differences between the family who smack and those who don’t. Those who don’t assume (by implication) that they could hop into the other parents shoes and sort the family out…. but could they;should they…..[individual differences]?