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	<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/08/24/watermelons-2/</link>
	<description>hopping along the corridors of power</description>
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		<title>By: georgedarroch</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/08/24/watermelons-2/#comment-54596</link>
		<dc:creator>georgedarroch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/08/24/watermelons-2/#comment-54596</guid>
		<description>I, for one welcome our new Green overlords.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, for one welcome our new Green overlords.</p>
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		<title>By: jh</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/08/24/watermelons-2/#comment-54586</link>
		<dc:creator>jh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/08/24/watermelons-2/#comment-54586</guid>
		<description>Here's a green issue:
This is a discussion topic at The Visible Hand
 
'Ecological economist Bill Rees started teaching at the University of British Columbiaâ€™s School of Planning three decades ago. When he gave a presentation showing how British Columbiaâ€™s Lower Mainland had already exceeded its ability to support its population and suggested that humanity as a whole might also be approaching its global carrying capacity, he wasnâ€™t expecting the reaction waiting for him.

One of UBC and Canadaâ€™s best-known economists told him, in the most collegial way, history had proved Rees wrong and that carrying capacity was irrelevant.

  â€œHe told me economists had all but abolished the concept of limits to growth and that if I persisted in this line of research my academic career at UBC would be â€˜nasty, brutish and short,â€™â€? Rees recounts to me as we sit in a campus coffee shop. â€œIronically, that was the stimulus that led me to come up with the ecological footprint concept.â€? 

http://tvhe.wordpress.com/2008/08/25/posting-trouble/#comments</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a green issue:<br />
This is a discussion topic at The Visible Hand</p>
<p>&#8216;Ecological economist Bill Rees started teaching at the University of British Columbiaâ€™s School of Planning three decades ago. When he gave a presentation showing how British Columbiaâ€™s Lower Mainland had already exceeded its ability to support its population and suggested that humanity as a whole might also be approaching its global carrying capacity, he wasnâ€™t expecting the reaction waiting for him.</p>
<p>One of UBC and Canadaâ€™s best-known economists told him, in the most collegial way, history had proved Rees wrong and that carrying capacity was irrelevant.</p>
<p>  â€œHe told me economists had all but abolished the concept of limits to growth and that if I persisted in this line of research my academic career at UBC would be â€˜nasty, brutish and short,â€™â€? Rees recounts to me as we sit in a campus coffee shop. â€œIronically, that was the stimulus that led me to come up with the ecological footprint concept.â€? </p>
<p><a href="http://tvhe.wordpress.com/2008/08/25/posting-trouble/#comments" >http://tvhe.wordpress.com/2008/08/25/posting-trouble/#comments</a></p>
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		<title>By: jh</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/08/24/watermelons-2/#comment-54580</link>
		<dc:creator>jh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/08/24/watermelons-2/#comment-54580</guid>
		<description>Good to see property developers enjoying the environment:
.....................
Owen McShane
August 25, 2008 at 2:38 pm

Spring is sprung, the grass is riz,
I wonder where the birdies is. (Nash)
They say turkeys donâ€™t vote for an early Xmas but the flock of eight on my property seem to doing just that. They normall wander round making strange turkey noises but in a reasonably tight group.
Now, with spring, they have taken to roosting at night on the fend lined up like sitting â€“ well turkeys.
As Xmas approaches I should be able to sit in the spa pool at sunset, with my 404 g Shotgun, and take them down, one at a time, with clean head shot. No pellets in the flesh.
Maybe they are now genetically programmed for clean kills.
[from Ponekes blog]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to see property developers enjoying the environment:<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;<br />
Owen McShane<br />
August 25, 2008 at 2:38 pm</p>
<p>Spring is sprung, the grass is riz,<br />
I wonder where the birdies is. (Nash)<br />
They say turkeys donâ€™t vote for an early Xmas but the flock of eight on my property seem to doing just that. They normall wander round making strange turkey noises but in a reasonably tight group.<br />
Now, with spring, they have taken to roosting at night on the fend lined up like sitting â€“ well turkeys.<br />
As Xmas approaches I should be able to sit in the spa pool at sunset, with my 404 g Shotgun, and take them down, one at a time, with clean head shot. No pellets in the flesh.<br />
Maybe they are now genetically programmed for clean kills.<br />
[from Ponekes blog]</p>
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		<title>By: greengeek</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/08/24/watermelons-2/#comment-54579</link>
		<dc:creator>greengeek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/08/24/watermelons-2/#comment-54579</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Turnip28 Says:  I believe the US Debt will have a much bigger impact on NZ than global warming or peak oil...

JH I have been going on about the thousands of New Zealanders who are not paying tax by using negative gearing. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Turnip, I read an article by Bernard Hickey in yesterdays 'Herald on Sunday' which echoes your coments about the artificial nature of the NZ housing market. It matched my feelings exactly.

This is one of the problems caused by having such a large group as the 'baby boomers' setting policy...it is hard for them to avoid setting policy that directly benefits themselves.

It has become a habit for them, as a result of being such a cherished group of youngsters overloved by the mothers who saw them as the only good thing to come out of WWII.

They never really got over the feeling of being the best thing that ever happened to anybody.

They have spent their whole lives believing that what they want is necessarily valuable.

Unfortunately we are going to have to wait at least another 20 years before  society throws off their influence.

I think the US financial crisis has a lot more to do with the artificial accounting of the baby boomers, than it has to do with the ordinary citizen paying their bills.

One thing the Libertarianz have in their favour is that their policies really would allow true 'market forces' to affect things. Not just what baby-boomers define as 'market forces', which always seems to be what benefits them.

As a matter of interest...do you have a clear idea of which way you will vote this election? I'm interested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Turnip28 Says:  I believe the US Debt will have a much bigger impact on NZ than global warming or peak oil&#8230;</p>
<p>JH I have been going on about the thousands of New Zealanders who are not paying tax by using negative gearing.
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<p>Turnip, I read an article by Bernard Hickey in yesterdays &#8216;Herald on Sunday&#8217; which echoes your coments about the artificial nature of the NZ housing market. It matched my feelings exactly.</p>
<p>This is one of the problems caused by having such a large group as the &#8216;baby boomers&#8217; setting policy&#8230;it is hard for them to avoid setting policy that directly benefits themselves.</p>
<p>It has become a habit for them, as a result of being such a cherished group of youngsters overloved by the mothers who saw them as the only good thing to come out of WWII.</p>
<p>They never really got over the feeling of being the best thing that ever happened to anybody.</p>
<p>They have spent their whole lives believing that what they want is necessarily valuable.</p>
<p>Unfortunately we are going to have to wait at least another 20 years before  society throws off their influence.</p>
<p>I think the US financial crisis has a lot more to do with the artificial accounting of the baby boomers, than it has to do with the ordinary citizen paying their bills.</p>
<p>One thing the Libertarianz have in their favour is that their policies really would allow true &#8216;market forces&#8217; to affect things. Not just what baby-boomers define as &#8216;market forces&#8217;, which always seems to be what benefits them.</p>
<p>As a matter of interest&#8230;do you have a clear idea of which way you will vote this election? I&#8217;m interested.</p>
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		<title>By: Sapient</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/08/24/watermelons-2/#comment-54558</link>
		<dc:creator>Sapient</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 03:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/08/24/watermelons-2/#comment-54558</guid>
		<description>So if you make a gain in real value it must be reported to the IRD? that makes sence to me. Are you saying that people dont report this and that the IRD tends not to chase people up about it? couldint you fix that by making every transaction of land go through the IRD as part of the title transaction in terms of nominal values and have the IRD work out if there is Real profit or Real loss and then add that to the tax owed by that individual/trust/company?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if you make a gain in real value it must be reported to the IRD? that makes sence to me. Are you saying that people dont report this and that the IRD tends not to chase people up about it? couldint you fix that by making every transaction of land go through the IRD as part of the title transaction in terms of nominal values and have the IRD work out if there is Real profit or Real loss and then add that to the tax owed by that individual/trust/company?</p>
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		<title>By: turnip28</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/08/24/watermelons-2/#comment-54551</link>
		<dc:creator>turnip28</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 02:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/08/24/watermelons-2/#comment-54551</guid>
		<description>Well my only problem with the LAQC is that if you sell the property and make a gain, you MUST report this to the IRD, now i was under the impression that the IRD didn't chase this kind of fraud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well my only problem with the LAQC is that if you sell the property and make a gain, you MUST report this to the IRD, now i was under the impression that the IRD didn&#8217;t chase this kind of fraud.</p>
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		<title>By: Sapient</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/08/24/watermelons-2/#comment-54546</link>
		<dc:creator>Sapient</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 02:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/08/24/watermelons-2/#comment-54546</guid>
		<description>excuse my ignorance, but what is so bad about LAQC? Is it the ability to offset it against ones income? apart from that I dont really see anything to shout about, infact I think all companies should be obligated to pass losses onto the shareholders with the shareholders able to sue the managers if it can be shown to be the fault of those managers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>excuse my ignorance, but what is so bad about LAQC? Is it the ability to offset it against ones income? apart from that I dont really see anything to shout about, infact I think all companies should be obligated to pass losses onto the shareholders with the shareholders able to sue the managers if it can be shown to be the fault of those managers.</p>
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		<title>By: kiwinuke</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/08/24/watermelons-2/#comment-54534</link>
		<dc:creator>kiwinuke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 01:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/08/24/watermelons-2/#comment-54534</guid>
		<description>I agree with the LibertariaNZ clip  .... but only in the respect that there's not much difference between the extreme left (Marxist-Leninist-Maoist-Trotsyist or whatever) and the extreme right (Nazi - Fascist etc).

Jsut underlines the point many have made on this blog that the left-right political axis is not linear and that you really nheed two dimensions to reasonably assess political parties positioning.

Pretty hilarious that they've pinned the Green party at the extreme left and extreme right of the spectrum though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the LibertariaNZ clip  &#8230;. but only in the respect that there&#8217;s not much difference between the extreme left (Marxist-Leninist-Maoist-Trotsyist or whatever) and the extreme right (Nazi - Fascist etc).</p>
<p>Jsut underlines the point many have made on this blog that the left-right political axis is not linear and that you really nheed two dimensions to reasonably assess political parties positioning.</p>
<p>Pretty hilarious that they&#8217;ve pinned the Green party at the extreme left and extreme right of the spectrum though.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Bird</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/08/24/watermelons-2/#comment-54532</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Bird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 00:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/08/24/watermelons-2/#comment-54532</guid>
		<description>It appears one thing the Greens do not want to ban is homosexuals donating blood.

Blood Screening Rules

http://www.stephenfranks.co.nz/?p=542#comments

Below is a quote from the link to Stephen Frank's Blog

&lt;blockquote&gt; So I was amazed when the ACT, Green and Labour candidates all assured the Rainbow forum of support for eliminating the "discrimination".  &lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears one thing the Greens do not want to ban is homosexuals donating blood.</p>
<p>Blood Screening Rules</p>
<p><a href="http://www.stephenfranks.co.nz/?p=542#comments" >http://www.stephenfranks.co.nz/?p=542#comments</a></p>
<p>Below is a quote from the link to Stephen Frank&#8217;s Blog</p>
<blockquote><p> So I was amazed when the ACT, Green and Labour candidates all assured the Rainbow forum of support for eliminating the &#8220;discrimination&#8221;.  </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Gerrit</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/08/24/watermelons-2/#comment-54524</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerrit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/08/24/watermelons-2/#comment-54524</guid>
		<description>turnip,

I would have thought that an at least 50% increase in my proporties value is not too bad.

Much better then the sharemarket (except for my Air New Zealand shares bought at a low of 28 cents - now worth 5 times that ) or any other institution.

In fact much better then Gold.

Still whatever turn you on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>turnip,</p>
<p>I would have thought that an at least 50% increase in my proporties value is not too bad.</p>
<p>Much better then the sharemarket (except for my Air New Zealand shares bought at a low of 28 cents - now worth 5 times that ) or any other institution.</p>
<p>In fact much better then Gold.</p>
<p>Still whatever turn you on.</p>
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