big bro: no problem standing shoulder to shoulder with allies in a genuine conflict.

But it was obvious Bush was lying in 2002/3 about Iraq and NZ and Canada were wise to stay well away. Unfortunately, Australia had the sort of government that whores the lives of troops for a free trade deal, but luckily for NZ the conservatives here weren’t in a position to sell Kiwi lives for better trade deals.

NZ has backed its allies and friends in many areas (Afghanistan and East Timor to name two) and has abolsutely nothing to be ashamed of.

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Interesting points phil – go raise that on gblog!?

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Just give us a freak’n election date so the real battle can begin.

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“..Usually they just disappear out the front door wearing a glazed and vacant stare or with wide eyed head shaking..”

gee..!..that sounds like the new faces i saw in the auckland greens..over the years..

they would come in all bright-eyed and bushy-tailed..

..some would only last one meeting..

..the persistant ones came to two meetings..

..just to confirm what a mind-numbing waste of time/energy it all was..

..then they would “..just disappear out the front door wearing a glazed and vacant stare..

..or with wide eyed head shaking..”

(and consequently..the auckland greens have much the same number of people as five years ago..(maybe less..?..)

..and they are in the large..the same people..

..people who seem to revolve their social lives around each other..

..and who don’t really want ‘strangers’..

now..i can’t belive the many who came..saw..and quickly left/ran away..

..were all ‘spies’..

eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)

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last i looked there was no such thing as “young labour”
national has to have the young nats so that the fogeys don’t have to bump up against youth in the main wing of the party, or is it just to show off “see, we do have some young people!”

national can’t be a viable option for an environmental party to support when they are still itching to ditch the protections of the rma, & if we can’t trust anything they say they want

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“the Communist – Nationalist continuum”

That what ?

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If there should be total openness, why don’t the greens declare their position on the Communist – Nationalist continuum as well as the conservator – waster one?
Given recent announcements, I would think even the name of the party should be changed, something like ‘green-communist’ party of NewZealandAotearoa would be more appropriate.

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“Any private conversation between two people should be the public domain now?”

No one is saying it generally should be – there’s always that classic ‘public interest’ provision though.

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You guys can not be serious
Any private conversation between two people should be the public domain now?
That’s one step away from the Thought Police

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Politicians should say in private what they say in public – but bad form to go out and record someone without their knowing unless you have a damn good reason like you’re a journo conducting an editor approved sting operation or something.

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cough*SAS in afghanisatn cough*

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big bro Says:
August 7th, 2008 at 9:02 pm

> You screamed like school girls last time because the EB told the truth about your policies yet when the hated right are the victims of dirty tricks you think it is perfectly fine.

Yes, but did they tell the truth on purpose or by accident. If I recall correctly, one of their 13 statements was true, the other 12 were false. It seems reasonable to assume that they did not set out to tell the truth, and that the fact that one of the points turned out to be true was accidental.

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I wish the Nat’s would say that we are going back to having full a full military partnership with the USA, they remain our closest allies and the nation along with the UK that we should be most closely aligned with.

When it comes to doing our bit to combat terror we are nothing but bludgers.

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Toad

I have to assume that you also do not think it is bad form to steal somebodies e mails either?

Really, the hypocrisy is breathtaking, while you chaps work yourself into a lather about the events of the last few days it only proves one thing and that is that you are always going to vote with Labour.

You screamed like school girls last time because the EB told the truth about your policies yet when the hated right are the victims of dirty tricks you think it is perfectly fine.

I think it is you Toad who are the mastrers of faux outrage

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“So is he suggesting that pro-National = pro-nuke???”

The undercover guy was trying to get English to say something about it – a reprise of ‘gone by lunchtime’ is what he was hoping for.

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So is he suggesting that pro-National = pro-nuke??? That was an unfortunate slip of the tongue.

If I vote in such a way that it allows National to get into power, I shall reverse it as soon as I get a whif of anything pro-nuclear.

Yes, I know some people believe the intelligent vote is on the side of nuclear being clean (a-la Frenchies) but I’m not one of them.

I have a long term view.

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I think it was Nick Smith who claims to have been onto him – Nick didn’t say anything too damaging. Lockwood Smith very obviously wasn’t onto him. Nor was Bill English.

The thing that gets to me is the extent of the faux outrage from the NZ Herald and David Farrar and the Nat supporters on Key wee-blog.

If you are in public life, then whatever you say to anyone, and anywhere, about political issues is up for grabs. I draw the line at MP’s personal affairs, such a their financial investments, whom they are sleeping with etc. Those things have nothing to do with their role as an MP.

But what they say about political issues, in whatever context and to whomever, can and should properly be in the public domain. If they are dumb enough to have conversations revealing secret agendas to someone who they thought was a National supporter, but proved to not be one, then they cop the consequences.

I don’t think there is anything immoral about recording the conversations – after all, this was at a National Party conference, which is a public event. It’s not like bugging someone’s phone, house or office.

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You can spot a pink Tory a mile away… even if they are a young one!

Interesting thought though… what does a stereotypical

Young Green
Act on Campus
Young Nat
Young Labour

etc look like..

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So if Smith was totally on to this dodgy dude why did he keep talking to him and why is he worried that what he said may have been taped?

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That’s what a communist WOULD say

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