by frog
Did anyone hear Nick Smith on Morning Report talking about the spy who taped him? Apparently Smith worked it out quite quickly the young person was a spy:
Morning Report: Why did you think it was a spy?
Nick Smith: Well, it was a young person, a person in their early 20s. I’ve been around student politics for 20 years and the person dressed a bit alternative, and didn’t look like a sort of a pro-nuke sort of young National sort of image and when I saw the Bill English story I thought , yeap, this was a dirty trick.
Smith has used this crucial dress code clue to finger Young Labour rather than Young Nats. Good for the young Nats but also kind of embarrassing for them?
It’s lucky that no one has tried to infiltrate the Green Party yet and tape our hidden agenda. We don’t have a clever dress code or a secret handshake that makes outsiders look out of place, so we’d be at a complete loss to work out who did it.
Published in Justice & Democracy | Society & Culture by frog on Thu, August 7th, 2008
Tags: Bill English, Frog, frogblog, green, labour, morning report, national, new zealand, Nick Smith, party, spy
on the trolls and those who are unable to keep on topic
Sorry to disabuse you Frog but there have been several attempts at infiltration here in Aoraki, However, the culprits have never lasted longer than a few hours in the Green environment. Usually they just disappear out the front door wearing a glazed and vacant stare or with wide eyed head shaking. So I think we’re pretty safe, after all, if they want the real dirt all they have to do is go to our website.
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Hmmmmmmmm
I didn’t realise Nats didn’t wear trousers. Now I’ll be able to recognise them
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What a knob, way to encourage all-comers to join the party!
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>>and tape our hidden agenda
It’s because no-one cares about it.
That would change if you had significantly more than 5.2% of the vote, of course.
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“It’s because no-one cares about it. ”
Ha! I’m sure you could find plenty of people who think the Greens have one, and care very much about the ‘fact’.
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why would anyone need to use secret recordings to find out about our secret agenda? surely they could just ask Big Bro – he seems to know all about it.
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That’s what a communist WOULD say
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So if Smith was totally on to this dodgy dude why did he keep talking to him and why is he worried that what he said may have been taped?
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You can spot a pink Tory a mile away… even if they are a young one!
Interesting thought though… what does a stereotypical
Young Green
Act on Campus
Young Nat
Young Labour
etc look like..
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I think it was Nick Smith who claims to have been onto him – Nick didn’t say anything too damaging. Lockwood Smith very obviously wasn’t onto him. Nor was Bill English.
The thing that gets to me is the extent of the faux outrage from the NZ Herald and David Farrar and the Nat supporters on Key wee-blog.
If you are in public life, then whatever you say to anyone, and anywhere, about political issues is up for grabs. I draw the line at MP’s personal affairs, such a their financial investments, whom they are sleeping with etc. Those things have nothing to do with their role as an MP.
But what they say about political issues, in whatever context and to whomever, can and should properly be in the public domain. If they are dumb enough to have conversations revealing secret agendas to someone who they thought was a National supporter, but proved to not be one, then they cop the consequences.
I don’t think there is anything immoral about recording the conversations – after all, this was at a National Party conference, which is a public event. It’s not like bugging someone’s phone, house or office.
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So is he suggesting that pro-National = pro-nuke??? That was an unfortunate slip of the tongue.
If I vote in such a way that it allows National to get into power, I shall reverse it as soon as I get a whif of anything pro-nuclear.
Yes, I know some people believe the intelligent vote is on the side of nuclear being clean (a-la Frenchies) but I’m not one of them.
I have a long term view.
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“So is he suggesting that pro-National = pro-nuke???”
The undercover guy was trying to get English to say something about it – a reprise of ‘gone by lunchtime’ is what he was hoping for.
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Toad
I have to assume that you also do not think it is bad form to steal somebodies e mails either?
Really, the hypocrisy is breathtaking, while you chaps work yourself into a lather about the events of the last few days it only proves one thing and that is that you are always going to vote with Labour.
You screamed like school girls last time because the EB told the truth about your policies yet when the hated right are the victims of dirty tricks you think it is perfectly fine.
I think it is you Toad who are the mastrers of faux outrage
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I wish the Nat’s would say that we are going back to having full a full military partnership with the USA, they remain our closest allies and the nation along with the UK that we should be most closely aligned with.
When it comes to doing our bit to combat terror we are nothing but bludgers.
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big bro Says:
August 7th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
> You screamed like school girls last time because the EB told the truth about your policies yet when the hated right are the victims of dirty tricks you think it is perfectly fine.
Yes, but did they tell the truth on purpose or by accident. If I recall correctly, one of their 13 statements was true, the other 12 were false. It seems reasonable to assume that they did not set out to tell the truth, and that the fact that one of the points turned out to be true was accidental.
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cough*SAS in afghanisatn cough*
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Politicians should say in private what they say in public – but bad form to go out and record someone without their knowing unless you have a damn good reason like you’re a journo conducting an editor approved sting operation or something.
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You guys can not be serious
Any private conversation between two people should be the public domain now?
That’s one step away from the Thought Police
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“Any private conversation between two people should be the public domain now?”
No one is saying it generally should be – there’s always that classic ‘public interest’ provision though.
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If there should be total openness, why don’t the greens declare their position on the Communist – Nationalist continuum as well as the conservator – waster one?
Given recent announcements, I would think even the name of the party should be changed, something like ‘green-communist’ party of NewZealandAotearoa would be more appropriate.
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“the Communist – Nationalist continuum”
That what ?
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last i looked there was no such thing as “young labour”
national has to have the young nats so that the fogeys don’t have to bump up against youth in the main wing of the party, or is it just to show off “see, we do have some young people!”
national can’t be a viable option for an environmental party to support when they are still itching to ditch the protections of the rma, & if we can’t trust anything they say they want
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“..Usually they just disappear out the front door wearing a glazed and vacant stare or with wide eyed head shaking..”
gee..!..that sounds like the new faces i saw in the auckland greens..over the years..
they would come in all bright-eyed and bushy-tailed..
..some would only last one meeting..
..the persistant ones came to two meetings..
..just to confirm what a mind-numbing waste of time/energy it all was..
..then they would “..just disappear out the front door wearing a glazed and vacant stare..
..or with wide eyed head shaking..”
(and consequently..the auckland greens have much the same number of people as five years ago..(maybe less..?..)
..and they are in the large..the same people..
..people who seem to revolve their social lives around each other..
..and who don’t really want ’strangers’..
now..i can’t belive the many who came..saw..and quickly left/ran away..
..were all ’spies’..
eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
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Just give us a freak’n election date so the real battle can begin.
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Interesting points phil – go raise that on gblog!?
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big bro: no problem standing shoulder to shoulder with allies in a genuine conflict.
But it was obvious Bush was lying in 2002/3 about Iraq and NZ and Canada were wise to stay well away. Unfortunately, Australia had the sort of government that whores the lives of troops for a free trade deal, but luckily for NZ the conservatives here weren’t in a position to sell Kiwi lives for better trade deals.
NZ has backed its allies and friends in many areas (Afghanistan and East Timor to name two) and has abolsutely nothing to be ashamed of.
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