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	<title>Comments on: Mandatory country of origin labelling</title>
	<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/29/mandatory-country-of-origin-labelling/</link>
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		<title>By: Kelpie</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/29/mandatory-country-of-origin-labelling/#comment-51322</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelpie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/29/mandatory-country-of-origin-labelling/#comment-51322</guid>
		<description>I have been told by experts all my life that certain things are fine.
I just lived long enough to be around when it was all proven false.

I want the right to do my own research.
I want to know where it came from &#38; what's in it.

What I can't know about, I won't use.

Thank you Sue (&#38; helpers) for all your hard work.
Good Luck :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been told by experts all my life that certain things are fine.<br />
I just lived long enough to be around when it was all proven false.</p>
<p>I want the right to do my own research.<br />
I want to know where it came from &amp; what&#8217;s in it.</p>
<p>What I can&#8217;t know about, I won&#8217;t use.</p>
<p>Thank you Sue (&amp; helpers) for all your hard work.<br />
Good Luck <img src='http://blog.greens.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: bigblukiwi</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/29/mandatory-country-of-origin-labelling/#comment-51255</link>
		<dc:creator>bigblukiwi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/29/mandatory-country-of-origin-labelling/#comment-51255</guid>
		<description>It has just appeared magically !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has just appeared magically !</p>
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		<title>By: bigblukiwi</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/29/mandatory-country-of-origin-labelling/#comment-51254</link>
		<dc:creator>bigblukiwi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/29/mandatory-country-of-origin-labelling/#comment-51254</guid>
		<description>cyberspace just swallowed my post ?????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cyberspace just swallowed my post ?????</p>
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		<title>By: bigblukiwi</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/29/mandatory-country-of-origin-labelling/#comment-51244</link>
		<dc:creator>bigblukiwi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/29/mandatory-country-of-origin-labelling/#comment-51244</guid>
		<description>I helped collect some of those signatures. In actively seeking signatures by asking and talking to people in all sorts of places, public and private, I found not one single person who refused to sign on the basis that they DID NOT want to know where their food came from. 

After reading all the above posts carefully, I have not been persuaded by any of the arguments put forward, that such labeling is a bad idea.

I am very sympathetic to the idea that it does not go half far enough. Each package of food, whatever it is, should say clearly where if originated from in my opinion, and I can see no logical reason why this is a bad idea.

Safety checks on all food wherever it comes from must be a good idea, along with suitable penalties for infringement. Where is the problem. Don't we all want to be assured that food we purchase from ANYONE else has a good chance of being safe to eat.

Putting up objections that it is' too costly', or would 'discriminate against a trading partner', are plain silly. Why should they not be proud to announce to all that the product was made, grown, processed, etc in .......land. As far as having voluntary origin labeling, what about those who chose not to label for whatever reason, you would end up with a flawed system that would not be trusted by the consumer.

If for example, all children's toys were unlabeled ( country of origin), and there was an outbreak of arsenic poisoning of children traced back to say paint on toys. Would there not be an immediate call for labeling. It's an issue of traceability, in the case of a problem. To me it's the issue of, if there is a problem with a product, there should be obvious accountability, traceable back from the consumer to the producer.

Surely food is the most important consumer product and all consumers have a right to the maximum possible information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I helped collect some of those signatures. In actively seeking signatures by asking and talking to people in all sorts of places, public and private, I found not one single person who refused to sign on the basis that they DID NOT want to know where their food came from. </p>
<p>After reading all the above posts carefully, I have not been persuaded by any of the arguments put forward, that such labeling is a bad idea.</p>
<p>I am very sympathetic to the idea that it does not go half far enough. Each package of food, whatever it is, should say clearly where if originated from in my opinion, and I can see no logical reason why this is a bad idea.</p>
<p>Safety checks on all food wherever it comes from must be a good idea, along with suitable penalties for infringement. Where is the problem. Don&#8217;t we all want to be assured that food we purchase from ANYONE else has a good chance of being safe to eat.</p>
<p>Putting up objections that it is&#8217; too costly&#8217;, or would &#8216;discriminate against a trading partner&#8217;, are plain silly. Why should they not be proud to announce to all that the product was made, grown, processed, etc in &#8230;&#8230;.land. As far as having voluntary origin labeling, what about those who chose not to label for whatever reason, you would end up with a flawed system that would not be trusted by the consumer.</p>
<p>If for example, all children&#8217;s toys were unlabeled ( country of origin), and there was an outbreak of arsenic poisoning of children traced back to say paint on toys. Would there not be an immediate call for labeling. It&#8217;s an issue of traceability, in the case of a problem. To me it&#8217;s the issue of, if there is a problem with a product, there should be obvious accountability, traceable back from the consumer to the producer.</p>
<p>Surely food is the most important consumer product and all consumers have a right to the maximum possible information.</p>
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		<title>By: ZenTiger</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/29/mandatory-country-of-origin-labelling/#comment-51229</link>
		<dc:creator>ZenTiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/29/mandatory-country-of-origin-labelling/#comment-51229</guid>
		<description>PS: We already inspect for (eg) insects, borer, animal product and general contamination.  It's not as if this is a new and novel concept.  We already charge on import inspections - I had a full inspection from MAF (or whatever they call themselves now) when I shipped my personal effects back from Australia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS: We already inspect for (eg) insects, borer, animal product and general contamination.  It&#8217;s not as if this is a new and novel concept.  We already charge on import inspections - I had a full inspection from MAF (or whatever they call themselves now) when I shipped my personal effects back from Australia.</p>
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		<title>By: ZenTiger</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/29/mandatory-country-of-origin-labelling/#comment-51227</link>
		<dc:creator>ZenTiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/29/mandatory-country-of-origin-labelling/#comment-51227</guid>
		<description>&lt;em&gt;The world is divided up into jurisdictions based on nation-states, not on religions.&lt;/em&gt;

That is so ancient.  Now, it's either Halal or it isn't :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The world is divided up into jurisdictions based on nation-states, not on religions.</em></p>
<p>That is so ancient.  Now, it&#8217;s either Halal or it isn&#8217;t <img src='http://blog.greens.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: ZenTiger</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/29/mandatory-country-of-origin-labelling/#comment-51226</link>
		<dc:creator>ZenTiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/29/mandatory-country-of-origin-labelling/#comment-51226</guid>
		<description>Sam, what about a requirement then just to have a label indicating if a food source is imported, full stop?  This adds costs to the importer, (and therefore makes NZ costs lower in comparison) and people can decide if they trust NZ food more than that foreign garbage (I didn't know Australian Tomatoes were toxic, nor Canadian Bacon.  Having lived in both countries, I'm probably poisoned to the max.  Who do I sue?).

As for random inspections, why would that necessarily cost the tax payer?  The importer might have to certify something is healthy and pay for an import license that covers the costs of random inspections.  Produce failing health checks would be turned back and the license revoked and a new license purchased.  That would at least improve safety of high risk items like chicken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam, what about a requirement then just to have a label indicating if a food source is imported, full stop?  This adds costs to the importer, (and therefore makes NZ costs lower in comparison) and people can decide if they trust NZ food more than that foreign garbage (I didn&#8217;t know Australian Tomatoes were toxic, nor Canadian Bacon.  Having lived in both countries, I&#8217;m probably poisoned to the max.  Who do I sue?).</p>
<p>As for random inspections, why would that necessarily cost the tax payer?  The importer might have to certify something is healthy and pay for an import license that covers the costs of random inspections.  Produce failing health checks would be turned back and the license revoked and a new license purchased.  That would at least improve safety of high risk items like chicken.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Buchanan</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/29/mandatory-country-of-origin-labelling/#comment-51195</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Buchanan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/29/mandatory-country-of-origin-labelling/#comment-51195</guid>
		<description>"So... it’s easier to promote the idea that all food from China is unsafe rather than have actual mechanisms in place to ensure that any food from anywhere is healthy? "

Much easier. Unless we somehow employ enough trusted and accountable inspectors to check all food sourced from China and have them report their findings and what they consider may or may not be harmful. We could do that, but it would cost the taxpyer heaps.

Alternatively we can have a label that says, in effect "this food was produced withinn the jurisdiction of a certain government and you can decide if you trust that jurisdiction to produce this particular product safely". Comparing this to labelling products with the religion of the producer is silly. The world is divided up into jurisdictions based on nation-states, not on religions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So&#8230; it’s easier to promote the idea that all food from China is unsafe rather than have actual mechanisms in place to ensure that any food from anywhere is healthy? &#8221;</p>
<p>Much easier. Unless we somehow employ enough trusted and accountable inspectors to check all food sourced from China and have them report their findings and what they consider may or may not be harmful. We could do that, but it would cost the taxpyer heaps.</p>
<p>Alternatively we can have a label that says, in effect &#8220;this food was produced withinn the jurisdiction of a certain government and you can decide if you trust that jurisdiction to produce this particular product safely&#8221;. Comparing this to labelling products with the religion of the producer is silly. The world is divided up into jurisdictions based on nation-states, not on religions.</p>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/29/mandatory-country-of-origin-labelling/#comment-51163</link>
		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/29/mandatory-country-of-origin-labelling/#comment-51163</guid>
		<description>saying a food should not be sold at all if it is a unsafe is unrealistic.  suppose we were to consider the question "are soy products safe?" - we could debate it until the cows come home. 
in fact nutrition science seems to be an area salient for the inability of the experts to agree or to hold the same position from one moment to the next.  one minute a given food group is the worst poison imaginable &#38; we should all avoid it, next thing we're told it's good for us &#38; we need more!
simply trusting administrators to sort it all out for us is not an option - we ought to be able to make our own choice even though some will get it wrong.  
as for globalization - individuals should not be deprived of the right to choose in this matter either, even if their viewpoint is not your viewpoint.
as for religions, we do have a right to know if the company is affiliated with a particular religion, or has a hiring policy based on religion.  if it is o.k. for that company to prefer people of religion x when making their expenditure decisions, then it is o.k. for the consumer too.  as for listing on the packet the religions of all the workers, that would obviously be daft when there is no preferential policy nor company afilliation. 

it is also unrealistic to say we can excersize choice by simply avoiding any products which don't have the labelling.  country of origin labelling is not prevalent enough to give that much choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>saying a food should not be sold at all if it is a unsafe is unrealistic.  suppose we were to consider the question &#8220;are soy products safe?&#8221; - we could debate it until the cows come home.<br />
in fact nutrition science seems to be an area salient for the inability of the experts to agree or to hold the same position from one moment to the next.  one minute a given food group is the worst poison imaginable &amp; we should all avoid it, next thing we&#8217;re told it&#8217;s good for us &amp; we need more!<br />
simply trusting administrators to sort it all out for us is not an option - we ought to be able to make our own choice even though some will get it wrong.<br />
as for globalization - individuals should not be deprived of the right to choose in this matter either, even if their viewpoint is not your viewpoint.<br />
as for religions, we do have a right to know if the company is affiliated with a particular religion, or has a hiring policy based on religion.  if it is o.k. for that company to prefer people of religion x when making their expenditure decisions, then it is o.k. for the consumer too.  as for listing on the packet the religions of all the workers, that would obviously be daft when there is no preferential policy nor company afilliation. </p>
<p>it is also unrealistic to say we can excersize choice by simply avoiding any products which don&#8217;t have the labelling.  country of origin labelling is not prevalent enough to give that much choice.</p>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/29/mandatory-country-of-origin-labelling/#comment-51162</link>
		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/29/mandatory-country-of-origin-labelling/#comment-51162</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;you cannot just have a little bit of democracy or just the bits you like, you either respect the will of the people or you do not.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
just out of curiosity which is it in your case?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>you cannot just have a little bit of democracy or just the bits you like, you either respect the will of the people or you do not.</p></blockquote>
<p>just out of curiosity which is it in your case?</p>
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