Comments on: The inalienable right to free rugby http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/10/the-inalienable-right-to-free-rugby/ hopping along the corridors of power Fri, 10 Feb 2012 07:16:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: StephenR http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/10/the-inalienable-right-to-free-rugby/#comment-49447 StephenR Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:39:37 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/10/the-inalienable-right-to-free-rugby/#comment-49447 cynic

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]]> By: Kevyn http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/10/the-inalienable-right-to-free-rugby/#comment-49419 Kevyn Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:50:56 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/10/the-inalienable-right-to-free-rugby/#comment-49419 StephenR, I'll believe it when I see it.

StephenR, I’ll believe it when I see it.

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]]> By: StephenR http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/10/the-inalienable-right-to-free-rugby/#comment-49293 StephenR Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:46:58 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/10/the-inalienable-right-to-free-rugby/#comment-49293 Kevyn, the ''World Cup finals stadium'' is Eden Park! bigblukiwi, maybe read the post and the responses again? "Once again we have a call from the free marketeers to step in and distort the market." Jim Anderton?? "along came Murdoch and spoilt it all" You have a right to watch taxpayer funded, low quality, sports coverage??

Kevyn, the ”World Cup finals stadium” is Eden Park!

bigblukiwi, maybe read the post and the responses again?

“Once again we have a call from the free marketeers to step in and distort the market.”

Jim Anderton??

“along came Murdoch and spoilt it all”

You have a right to watch taxpayer funded, low quality, sports coverage??

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]]> By: bigblukiwi http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/10/the-inalienable-right-to-free-rugby/#comment-49280 bigblukiwi Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:10:00 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/10/the-inalienable-right-to-free-rugby/#comment-49280 Well -just mention sport and out the bloggers come. My memory tells me that once upon a time in the dim past I could watch most sporting events on the Tele for free. Then along came Murdoch and spoilt it all whilst making himself Billions. ( in the UK admittedly - don't know how it was here then) Once again we have a call from the free marketeers to step in and distort the market. They never seem to realise the irony of it all. They love the market until it interferes with their whatever, sport in this case, then they want to regulate the hell out of it. Sick really !

Well -just mention sport and out the bloggers come.

My memory tells me that once upon a time in the dim past I could watch most sporting events on the Tele for free. Then along came Murdoch and spoilt it all whilst making himself Billions. ( in the UK admittedly – don’t know how it was here then)

Once again we have a call from the free marketeers to step in and distort the market. They never seem to realise the irony of it all. They love the market until it interferes with their whatever, sport in this case, then they want to regulate the hell out of it. Sick really !

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]]> By: Kevyn http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/10/the-inalienable-right-to-free-rugby/#comment-49273 Kevyn Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:11:40 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/10/the-inalienable-right-to-free-rugby/#comment-49273 Ari, Meritocracy means people are chosen on merit, based on past performance. Why they perform better is irrelevant. Democracy pretends to choose people on merit but actually chooses people because of their popularity. Why they perform better is central when it should be irrelevant. It's no coincidence that the Crusader's home stadium (and, inevitably, the World Cup finals stadium) is in Anderton's electorate. 'nuff said.

Ari, Meritocracy means people are chosen on merit, based on past performance. Why they perform better is irrelevant.

Democracy pretends to choose people on merit but actually chooses people because of their popularity. Why they perform better is central when it should be irrelevant.

It’s no coincidence that the Crusader’s home stadium (and, inevitably, the World Cup finals stadium) is in Anderton’s electorate. ’nuff said.

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]]> By: Patrick Starr http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/10/the-inalienable-right-to-free-rugby/#comment-49242 Patrick Starr Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:41:06 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/10/the-inalienable-right-to-free-rugby/#comment-49242 Point taken Toady, but I dont think you'll find Roger will back Anderton anyway,..... unless of course he feeling particularly belligerent tonight, in which case he usually resorts to insignificant links, or just plain porkies

Point taken Toady, but I dont think you’ll find Roger will back Anderton anyway,….. unless of course he feeling particularly belligerent tonight, in which case he usually resorts to insignificant links, or just plain porkies

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]]> By: toad http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/10/the-inalienable-right-to-free-rugby/#comment-49237 toad Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:45:43 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/10/the-inalienable-right-to-free-rugby/#comment-49237 Patrick, I only asked Roger (who hasn't come here) because I wanted someone to argue the alternative position, and though he perhaps might. There is a strange political synergy here between people (like you and me) who don't usually agree with each other, and no-one has come here to defend Anderton's position. Surely, Patrick, someone can come up with an argument to at least give us a challenge!!!

Patrick, I only asked Roger (who hasn’t come here) because I wanted someone to argue the alternative position, and though he perhaps might.

There is a strange political synergy here between people (like you and me) who don’t usually agree with each other, and no-one has come here to defend Anderton’s position. Surely, Patrick, someone can come up with an argument to at least give us a challenge!!!

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]]> By: Patrick Starr http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/10/the-inalienable-right-to-free-rugby/#comment-49235 Patrick Starr Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:29:21 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/10/the-inalienable-right-to-free-rugby/#comment-49235

If Anderton was true to form he would set up an opposition Rugby Union (Kiwi Rugby perhaps?) so he and his mates can watch it at taxpayer’s expense!

“Does anyone agree with Anderton on this? Roger Nome, what’s your view?� who cares?

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]]> By: Ari http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/10/the-inalienable-right-to-free-rugby/#comment-49234 Ari Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:00:55 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/10/the-inalienable-right-to-free-rugby/#comment-49234 Big bro: Eww. Why should we compensate monopolies for their losses? I think Anderton is, at the least, aiming too high. Free-to-air same-day coverage would be fine, and it would allow us to include netball and soccer and such too if we so desired. Kevyn: Calling something a meritocracy is like saying it's "good". The problem is when you try to define what makes it a meritocracy, and then you start to get into issues like "can players be called skilled due to having superior genes?" and so on. Better to just stick to Anderton's proposal I think, as like most of his "social" policies, it's a bit of a laugh. :D

Big bro: Eww. Why should we compensate monopolies for their losses?

I think Anderton is, at the least, aiming too high. Free-to-air same-day coverage would be fine, and it would allow us to include netball and soccer and such too if we so desired.

Kevyn: Calling something a meritocracy is like saying it’s “good”. The problem is when you try to define what makes it a meritocracy, and then you start to get into issues like “can players be called skilled due to having superior genes?” and so on. Better to just stick to Anderton’s proposal I think, as like most of his “social” policies, it’s a bit of a laugh. :D

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]]> By: StephenR http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/10/the-inalienable-right-to-free-rugby/#comment-49227 StephenR Thu, 10 Jul 2008 06:48:23 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/10/the-inalienable-right-to-free-rugby/#comment-49227 "Banderton" ha!

“Banderton”

ha!

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]]> By: gialloneri http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/10/the-inalienable-right-to-free-rugby/#comment-49220 gialloneri Thu, 10 Jul 2008 05:01:16 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/10/the-inalienable-right-to-free-rugby/#comment-49220 I think it's imporant to have free to air coverage of national sports teams - as long as the focus is to help inspire people, especially kids, to take up sports themselves. Less kids will play rugby/cricket/netball if less kids dream about becoming an All Black/Black Cap/Silver Fern, and how will they develop those dreams if they can't see NZ's best in action? It's a health issue, not just an entertainment issue.

I think it’s imporant to have free to air coverage of national sports teams – as long as the focus is to help inspire people, especially kids, to take up sports themselves. Less kids will play rugby/cricket/netball if less kids dream about becoming an All Black/Black Cap/Silver Fern, and how will they develop those dreams if they can’t see NZ’s best in action? It’s a health issue, not just an entertainment issue.

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]]> By: big bro http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/10/the-inalienable-right-to-free-rugby/#comment-49211 big bro Thu, 10 Jul 2008 04:14:47 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/10/the-inalienable-right-to-free-rugby/#comment-49211 This story gets worse! Apparently Anderton wants to make up the difference (the loss suffered by NZRU and NZC) with tax payer money.

This story gets worse!

Apparently Anderton wants to make up the difference (the loss suffered by NZRU and NZC) with tax payer money.

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]]> By: Kevyn http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/10/the-inalienable-right-to-free-rugby/#comment-49202 Kevyn Thu, 10 Jul 2008 01:40:45 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/10/the-inalienable-right-to-free-rugby/#comment-49202 bp & bb, sport is a meritocracy. Of course you have achieved cross-party agreement. Everything else is democracy. Doomed to fail.

bp & bb, sport is a meritocracy. Of course you have achieved cross-party agreement. Everything else is democracy. Doomed to fail.

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]]> By: BluePeter http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/10/the-inalienable-right-to-free-rugby/#comment-49198 BluePeter Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:52:55 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/10/the-inalienable-right-to-free-rugby/#comment-49198 >>How extraordinary. Green, Nat, ACT supporters all taking the same position. Seem to have hit the sweet spot. Now lets try it on economic policy! We're through the looking glass here, people....

>>How extraordinary. Green, Nat, ACT supporters all taking the same position.

Seem to have hit the sweet spot. Now lets try it on economic policy!

We’re through the looking glass here, people….

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]]> By: big bro http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/10/the-inalienable-right-to-free-rugby/#comment-49196 big bro Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:24:58 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/10/the-inalienable-right-to-free-rugby/#comment-49196 Its not that extraordinary Toad, it sport! I have played sport with criminals (some very famous/infamous) Police, Lawyers, Politicians (even the odd socialist/communist)and Doctors, when we crossed the white line we all became part of the same team with one common goal. Looking back on it now it is interesting to think that a Doctor and a Lawyer would take instructions without question from a Truck driver, I guess that just shows what society can achieve if we work together.

Its not that extraordinary Toad, it sport!

I have played sport with criminals (some very famous/infamous) Police, Lawyers, Politicians (even the odd socialist/communist)and Doctors, when we crossed the white line we all became part of the same team with one common goal.
Looking back on it now it is interesting to think that a Doctor and a Lawyer would take instructions without question from a Truck driver, I guess that just shows what society can achieve if we work together.

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]]> By: toad http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/10/the-inalienable-right-to-free-rugby/#comment-49195 toad Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:16:57 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/10/the-inalienable-right-to-free-rugby/#comment-49195 How extraordinary. Green, Nat, ACT supporters all taking the same position. It's a pity the Progressives don't appear to have any supporters to come here to defend their position. Does anyone agree with Anderton on this? Roger Nome, what's your view?

How extraordinary. Green, Nat, ACT supporters all taking the same position. It’s a pity the Progressives don’t appear to have any supporters to come here to defend their position.

Does anyone agree with Anderton on this? Roger Nome, what’s your view?

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]]> By: big bro http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/10/the-inalienable-right-to-free-rugby/#comment-49194 big bro Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:35:55 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/10/the-inalienable-right-to-free-rugby/#comment-49194 Gerrit is dead right. One thing Sky sport has done is vastly improve the coverage of live sport, remember the days of TVNZ cricket coverage, the test might be poised on a knife edge, NZ needs two wickets to beat Australia and Sir Richard is bowling at his devastating best, the batsmen edges one through to Ian Smith and the catch is taken, all we need now is one wicket to win the test........at this stage coverage stops because its six o'clock and nothing gets in the way of TV news. Give me sky anyday of the week.

Gerrit is dead right.

One thing Sky sport has done is vastly improve the coverage of live sport, remember the days of TVNZ cricket coverage, the test might be poised on a knife edge, NZ needs two wickets to beat Australia and Sir Richard is bowling at his devastating best, the batsmen edges one through to Ian Smith and the catch is taken, all we need now is one wicket to win the test……..at this stage coverage stops because its six o’clock and nothing gets in the way of TV news.

Give me sky anyday of the week.

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]]> By: Gerrit http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/10/the-inalienable-right-to-free-rugby/#comment-49193 Gerrit Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:34:16 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/10/the-inalienable-right-to-free-rugby/#comment-49193 In a twisted kind of way the "right" to watch free sport on TV represents the welfare state. Where if you cant afford it you get it for "free" , thanks to those who can afford it. That "free" view is not free. It is paid for by the rest of us.

In a twisted kind of way the “right” to watch free sport on TV represents the welfare state.

Where if you cant afford it you get it for “free” , thanks to those who can afford it.

That “free” view is not free. It is paid for by the rest of us.

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]]> By: BluePeter http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/10/the-inalienable-right-to-free-rugby/#comment-49191 BluePeter Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:13:29 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/10/the-inalienable-right-to-free-rugby/#comment-49191

>>Since when has free live sport been an “inalienable right�?

It becomes one in election year, for crusty old socialists ;)

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]]> By: Gerrit http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/10/the-inalienable-right-to-free-rugby/#comment-49190 Gerrit Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:08:23 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/10/the-inalienable-right-to-free-rugby/#comment-49190 Agree with toad, Why should some mebers of the community get to watch for free when the rest either have to pay through the turnstiles or pay to view television. Heck if you were that desperate to watch a a game for free, go to the pub or local club. At the price of a pint of beer you get to see any amount of free sport. Remember those days when free to air live sport was full of adverts. In cricket you miss the first and last ball of every over. In rugby the inevitable try. Which would then have to be replayed so you would miss even more of the live game. Since when has free live sport been an "inalienable right"? Who issued that "right"?

Agree with toad,

Why should some mebers of the community get to watch for free when the rest either have to pay through the turnstiles or pay to view television.

Heck if you were that desperate to watch a a game for free, go to the pub or local club.

At the price of a pint of beer you get to see any amount of free sport.

Remember those days when free to air live sport was full of adverts. In cricket you miss the first and last ball of every over. In rugby the inevitable try. Which would then have to be replayed so you would miss even more of the live game.

Since when has free live sport been an “inalienable right”?

Who issued that “right”?

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