toad Says:

Just joking, philu, I would never want to censor you, but as someone who supposedly supports Green principles, you don’t help to achieve them in practice.

Slagging off Russel Norman, Sue Bradford and Catherine Delahunty on blogs is really not going to get there. If you have disagreements with the political strategy, email or phone them about it.

On the contrary Toad: it is criticism of people such as Sue Bradford which will open the door for the Greens to focus more on the issues and methods that would lead to a doubling of their support base.

Phil u might struggle to string a sentence together, but his criticisms are still worth debating (except that I enjoy meat).

Anyway, getting back to the coke thing…it is sad that we have failed to identify the ongoing damage being done to young, developing brains through exposure to unbalanced, chemicalised, and/or highly refined “food/recreational products/substances.

I never did understand why the Greens supported Nandors marijuana fixation.

Sodium Benzoate is a naturally occurring preservative and has been tested thoroughly on animals, with no or minimal effects at ultra-high doses, as have all food grade chemicals.

Why use it? Well, the problem with having no preservatives in foods is that they spoil, and people get sick and die, basically. There is a convenience aspect too- the delivery chains for modern food products are long and complex.

The UK tests linking it to hyperactivity were flawed- basically they mixed a whole bunch of colourings with Sodium Benzoate as a preservative, then gave large doses, recorded wildly inconsistent results, then published it as Sodium Benzoate is evil!

While it is interesting that CC is removing it in the UK, I suspect they’ll just put in another preservative that the green movement hasn’t been able to spell yet.

So, whats the difference between “our” coke and “Brit” coke?

Well, ours tastes better of course, as it has more nasty chemicals in it

Continuing to drink DC…

..this is relevant..

http://whoar.co.nz/2008/reason-number-53-why-ralph-nader-should-just-p iss-off/

phil(whoar.co.nz)

is that what makes you ek-stat-ek..?

and hey..i think the ‘large amount’ you consume would have more to do with stopping you feeling ‘tired’..

eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)

“..Mind you, you’re excommunicated!..”

phil(whoar.co.nz)

All food products sold in NZ should have to have a webpage which tells me what exactly is in it and where it comes from, and even what chemicals were used in the growth of it. Big business is getting away with far too much.
Like chickens, they should have to put a photo of where the chicken lived on the egg packet.

As for caffeine I drunk a large amount of fresh ground coffee in the morning, not only good for you, once you kill its poison with milk (another poison) but also the smell of it makes you less tired.

This raises the much wider topic of food additives. What is good, and what is not good? The general public cannot be expected to research every single thing added to food, so we need an authority which we can trust will ensure no (known) dangerous things are added. Do we trust FSANZ (I don’t know the answer to this one, but I have seen FSANZ criticised a number of times on food safety issues)?

So why don’t you support the Greens, rather than attacking them? We all have the same objectives Phil. Just that you want to unilaterally impose things that most NZers will not yet support - and take pot-shots at Green MPs for their not backing you.

If you really want a Green future, Phil, there is only one Party the will deliver - and that is the Greens.

With a bit of effort to reconcile with those you’ve upset by laneling, and in the interests of constructive engagement, you could be part of the greening process - rather than being on the outside of the tent, pissing in!