Yeah Doug, where have all the denialists gone?

I guess they are too egocentric to bother even thinking about climate refugees in faraway places.

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Isn’t it strange Frog, that when you do a post on what might happen in the wake of climate change, there are so many comments about whether it’s true or not, but when you do a post like this, which is what is actually happening, there is a huge silence.

I often wondered why nobody has really learned anything from the mistakes of the past, but it seems that lessons can’t even be learned from what is happening today.

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That’s what I’ve been trying to get at all along.
All of these issues are interconnected.
You can’t just look at climate change and AGW without taking into account the increasing human population (whether the growth is slowing or not).

It dosn’t really matter whether we are at the limits of sustainability of the human race, or even if the ultimate carrying capacity is way beyond even 10 billion people. I read somewhere not so long ago that the limit to growth is based on the weakest link (sort of what I have been getting at). Whether that weakest link is food production, availability of potable water or something else is an unknown factor. The only thing that could prevent us from finding out, is to maintain a sustainable population as well as reducing the impact we have on the environment. Both are most likely beyond our reach now though, so I think that trying to understand what is happening is the best thing to do, so that it might be prevented by future generations.

The Values Party policies of zero population growth and zero economic growth were probably right on the money. Only problem is that you can’t prove it without letting the alternative happen.

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Indeed DougT. There are a lot of basic commodities that are reaching natural limits, both from profligate use and from growth issues, be they economic or population.

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I said it in another recent discussion, and I’ll say it again.

Overpopulation isn’t just a matter of too many people though, it’s also caused when there are not enough resources. And there seem to be alot of things pointing to a slight shortage of certain resources at the moment don’t there?

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