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	<title>Comments on: Herald misses return ship home</title>
	<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/06/18/herald-misses-return-ship-home/</link>
	<description>hopping along the corridors of power</description>
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		<title>By: Geoff Fischer</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/06/18/herald-misses-return-ship-home/#comment-47246</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff Fischer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 22:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/06/18/herald-misses-return-ship-home/#comment-47246</guid>
		<description>I believe that it is unhelpful to characterise the mass media as â€śright-wingâ€? or, for that matter, â€śleft wingâ€?.   You wind up in a â€śyes it is - no it isnâ€™tâ€? type argument which goes nowhere.   It is more helpful to analyse the structure and function of the mass media, and the role which it plays within the social, economic and political dynamics of a given regime.   The mass media in New Zealand, and the western world generally) is liberal on issues such as womenâ€™s rights, gay rights, racial diversity and economic deregulation.     Only the last of these is a typical â€śright wingâ€? policy (and, ironically it is a â€śright wingâ€? policy most actively pursued by the â€śleft-wingâ€? Labour Party).   

The combination of all these policies means that the mass media is generally neo-imperialist, justifying the right of the â€śinternational communityâ€? (i.e. global capital, led by the United States of America and the United Kingdom) to indiscriminately  impose a liberal agenda on non-conforming states - the good, the bad and the ugly.

None of this in itself amounts to a condemnation of the mass media.   If liberal neo-imperialism is a good thing for humanity, then so is the dominance of the western mass media organisations.   But if neo-imperialism is a bad thing, then we need to start looking at exactly what role the media plays in the regime, and how it chooses to play.  Then we find that the western media has appallingly low standards of journalism, suppresses crucial information, promotes the cult of personality and all in all functions as nothing more than a crude propaganda arm of the regime.   This may be a worry to those (like Toad perhaps) who hope to reform the regime from within.   But looking longer term, and taking the wider view, one can see that the condition of the mass media in New Zealand is just one more sign that the regime as a whole is heading inexorably to collapse and destruction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that it is unhelpful to characterise the mass media as â€śright-wingâ€? or, for that matter, â€śleft wingâ€?.   You wind up in a â€śyes it is - no it isnâ€™tâ€? type argument which goes nowhere.   It is more helpful to analyse the structure and function of the mass media, and the role which it plays within the social, economic and political dynamics of a given regime.   The mass media in New Zealand, and the western world generally) is liberal on issues such as womenâ€™s rights, gay rights, racial diversity and economic deregulation.     Only the last of these is a typical â€śright wingâ€? policy (and, ironically it is a â€śright wingâ€? policy most actively pursued by the â€śleft-wingâ€? Labour Party).   </p>
<p>The combination of all these policies means that the mass media is generally neo-imperialist, justifying the right of the â€śinternational communityâ€? (i.e. global capital, led by the United States of America and the United Kingdom) to indiscriminately  impose a liberal agenda on non-conforming states - the good, the bad and the ugly.</p>
<p>None of this in itself amounts to a condemnation of the mass media.   If liberal neo-imperialism is a good thing for humanity, then so is the dominance of the western mass media organisations.   But if neo-imperialism is a bad thing, then we need to start looking at exactly what role the media plays in the regime, and how it chooses to play.  Then we find that the western media has appallingly low standards of journalism, suppresses crucial information, promotes the cult of personality and all in all functions as nothing more than a crude propaganda arm of the regime.   This may be a worry to those (like Toad perhaps) who hope to reform the regime from within.   But looking longer term, and taking the wider view, one can see that the condition of the mass media in New Zealand is just one more sign that the regime as a whole is heading inexorably to collapse and destruction.</p>
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		<title>By: BluePeter</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/06/18/herald-misses-return-ship-home/#comment-47134</link>
		<dc:creator>BluePeter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 00:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/06/18/herald-misses-return-ship-home/#comment-47134</guid>
		<description>&#62;&#62;All mainstream media is right wing

Cough....splutter....

What?!?!?

Have you not seen TVNZ and TV3 News?

Fox is right wing....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;All mainstream media is right wing</p>
<p>Cough&#8230;.splutter&#8230;.</p>
<p>What?!?!?</p>
<p>Have you not seen TVNZ and TV3 News?</p>
<p>Fox is right wing&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Fischer</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/06/18/herald-misses-return-ship-home/#comment-47131</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff Fischer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 00:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/06/18/herald-misses-return-ship-home/#comment-47131</guid>
		<description>Toad's reply has persuaded me that he does have some understanding of  the decisive role of the mass media within the electoral system, but at the same time confirms that his opinion of religious fundamentalists is itself founded on ignorance, bigotry and prejudice.   But since that issue is "off topic" I won't try to debate it any further here.

As an aside, I don't know whether anyone else has drawn attention to the fact that the media empires felt threatened by the EFA in ways which extended well beyond the province of parliamentary politics.   The logic of the EFA could equally well apply in all areas of business.   Why not cap the advertising budgets of hardware chains?   Why should small hardware merchants  offering good products and service be driven out of business by the advertising power of Mitre 10 and Bunnings, for instance?    Just one more reason why large business corporations, and the media empires, were so solidly opposed to the EFA.   

And I still cannot quite fathom why the Labour-led government decided to engage in a suicidal confrontation with APN, Fairfax et al over this issue.   Again, the only explanation I have is that they were reacting irrationally to the involvment of a small group of people who they believe "bond women in slavery and kill queers".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toad&#8217;s reply has persuaded me that he does have some understanding of  the decisive role of the mass media within the electoral system, but at the same time confirms that his opinion of religious fundamentalists is itself founded on ignorance, bigotry and prejudice.   But since that issue is &#8220;off topic&#8221; I won&#8217;t try to debate it any further here.</p>
<p>As an aside, I don&#8217;t know whether anyone else has drawn attention to the fact that the media empires felt threatened by the EFA in ways which extended well beyond the province of parliamentary politics.   The logic of the EFA could equally well apply in all areas of business.   Why not cap the advertising budgets of hardware chains?   Why should small hardware merchants  offering good products and service be driven out of business by the advertising power of Mitre 10 and Bunnings, for instance?    Just one more reason why large business corporations, and the media empires, were so solidly opposed to the EFA.   </p>
<p>And I still cannot quite fathom why the Labour-led government decided to engage in a suicidal confrontation with APN, Fairfax et al over this issue.   Again, the only explanation I have is that they were reacting irrationally to the involvment of a small group of people who they believe &#8220;bond women in slavery and kill queers&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: toad</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/06/18/herald-misses-return-ship-home/#comment-47072</link>
		<dc:creator>toad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 06:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/06/18/herald-misses-return-ship-home/#comment-47072</guid>
		<description>Geoff Fisher said: &lt;i&gt;I wonder whether Toad really understands the complex character of what he calls disparagingly calls â€śfundieâ€? groups, and I wonder whether he understands that the real problem for those democratic parties following a â€śleftistâ€? political line comes from APN, Fairfax and the other mass media organisations.&lt;/i&gt;

I do indeed, Geoff, and the NZ Herald, in particular, has put up the challenge.  All mainstream media is right wing.  That is not surprising, because it is controlled by people who are vastly rich and don't really want to share their wealth with us ordinary people.

The fundie Christians hate the Greens too, because we believe in tolerance and social justice, rather than bonding women in slavery, killing queers and an "eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth".

So there is an axis of interest between the mainstream media' neo-conservative interests and those of the fundie Christian bigots - it is to "keep those bloody Greens out of Government because they potentially threaten our respective interests".

Which we do.  And will continue to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoff Fisher said: <i>I wonder whether Toad really understands the complex character of what he calls disparagingly calls â€śfundieâ€? groups, and I wonder whether he understands that the real problem for those democratic parties following a â€śleftistâ€? political line comes from APN, Fairfax and the other mass media organisations.</i></p>
<p>I do indeed, Geoff, and the NZ Herald, in particular, has put up the challenge.  All mainstream media is right wing.  That is not surprising, because it is controlled by people who are vastly rich and don&#8217;t really want to share their wealth with us ordinary people.</p>
<p>The fundie Christians hate the Greens too, because we believe in tolerance and social justice, rather than bonding women in slavery, killing queers and an &#8220;eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth&#8221;.</p>
<p>So there is an axis of interest between the mainstream media&#8217; neo-conservative interests and those of the fundie Christian bigots - it is to &#8220;keep those bloody Greens out of Government because they potentially threaten our respective interests&#8221;.</p>
<p>Which we do.  And will continue to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Fischer</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/06/18/herald-misses-return-ship-home/#comment-47065</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff Fischer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 06:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/06/18/herald-misses-return-ship-home/#comment-47065</guid>
		<description>With respect to John Boscawen's reference to the "principled" position of the New Zealand Herald, I wonder how that fits with the efforts by an APN executive and three uniformed APN security men to prevent me from carrying a placard on the public footpath outside APN headquarters?   Is "freedom of speech" the special perogative of Australian media moguls, and no one else?   Or is it, as someone suggested to me, evidence of the Herald's "breath taking hypocrisy"?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With respect to John Boscawen&#8217;s reference to the &#8220;principled&#8221; position of the New Zealand Herald, I wonder how that fits with the efforts by an APN executive and three uniformed APN security men to prevent me from carrying a placard on the public footpath outside APN headquarters?   Is &#8220;freedom of speech&#8221; the special perogative of Australian media moguls, and no one else?   Or is it, as someone suggested to me, evidence of the Herald&#8217;s &#8220;breath taking hypocrisy&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Fischer</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/06/18/herald-misses-return-ship-home/#comment-47063</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff Fischer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 06:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/06/18/herald-misses-return-ship-home/#comment-47063</guid>
		<description>Toad has missed the point I was trying to make, which is that, regardless of the rights or wrongs of the EFA, Helen Clark uncharacteristically miscalculated the adverse political consequences of introducing the bill to Parliament.    I believe that she, like many of the billâ€™s supporters, had become obsessed with the anti-Labour campaign waged by the Exclusive Brethren in the 2005 election and that this had the effect of clouding her usually astute judgement.
Judging by his references to the â€śnutty right wing fundie Christian fringe groupâ€? and â€śthat bunch of fundie nutcasesâ€? it seems that Toad is also unable to bring a necessary element of dispassionate objectivity to the whole affair.   The Exclusive Brethren are actually not such a problem to the political fortunes of the left.   Few, if any committed Green or Labour supporters would have shifted allegiance on the basis of the Brethren propaganda.   Probably the only effect, if any, of the Brethren leaflets and newspaper advertisements would have been to  harden attitudes on both sides of the political divide.
I wonder whether Toad really understands the complex character of what he calls disparagingly calls â€śfundieâ€? groups, and I wonder whether he understands that the real problem for those democratic parties following a â€śleftistâ€? political line comes from APN, Fairfax and the other mass media organisations.
The only way that the parliamentary Greens can address this problem is by moving sharply to the right, just as the European Green parties have, just as Jim Andertonâ€™s Alliance did, and just as the Labour Party did way back in the early days of its parliamentary progress.   When that happens the EFA will be seen as a mere aberration provoked by a political over-reaction to the rather ineffectual activities of a minor Christian sect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toad has missed the point I was trying to make, which is that, regardless of the rights or wrongs of the EFA, Helen Clark uncharacteristically miscalculated the adverse political consequences of introducing the bill to Parliament.    I believe that she, like many of the billâ€™s supporters, had become obsessed with the anti-Labour campaign waged by the Exclusive Brethren in the 2005 election and that this had the effect of clouding her usually astute judgement.<br />
Judging by his references to the â€śnutty right wing fundie Christian fringe groupâ€? and â€śthat bunch of fundie nutcasesâ€? it seems that Toad is also unable to bring a necessary element of dispassionate objectivity to the whole affair.   The Exclusive Brethren are actually not such a problem to the political fortunes of the left.   Few, if any committed Green or Labour supporters would have shifted allegiance on the basis of the Brethren propaganda.   Probably the only effect, if any, of the Brethren leaflets and newspaper advertisements would have been to  harden attitudes on both sides of the political divide.<br />
I wonder whether Toad really understands the complex character of what he calls disparagingly calls â€śfundieâ€? groups, and I wonder whether he understands that the real problem for those democratic parties following a â€śleftistâ€? political line comes from APN, Fairfax and the other mass media organisations.<br />
The only way that the parliamentary Greens can address this problem is by moving sharply to the right, just as the European Green parties have, just as Jim Andertonâ€™s Alliance did, and just as the Labour Party did way back in the early days of its parliamentary progress.   When that happens the EFA will be seen as a mere aberration provoked by a political over-reaction to the rather ineffectual activities of a minor Christian sect.</p>
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		<title>By: toad</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/06/18/herald-misses-return-ship-home/#comment-46949</link>
		<dc:creator>toad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 06:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/06/18/herald-misses-return-ship-home/#comment-46949</guid>
		<description>No Geoff, it was a shambolic exercise in Government policy and legislative drafting, I would agree.

And I also agree that the Greens should have been tougher with it in negotiations with Labour.

But, in principle, it is sound.  Vested interests should not be able to buy votes because they have more money to do so than anyone else, and donations to political parties should be publicly transparent to ensure voters know who may be buying the support of a particular party in their personal or corporate interests.

Unfortunately, the Act we ended up with is extraordinarily bureaucratic, and has loopholes (that maybe Labour wanted).

But at least it is better than having over $1m of hidden proxy advertising for a particular political party courtesy of a particularly nutty right wing fundie Christian fringe group who are waiting (impatiently) for the rapture.

That Key and Brash colluded with that bunch of fundie nutcases for over $1m proxy Nat advertising in 2005 is an absolute disgrace. 

It's a bit like if McCain accepted proxy funding from the KKK (oops, sorry John McC, you might have.  The US laws are even worse, so you would not necessarily know anyway).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Geoff, it was a shambolic exercise in Government policy and legislative drafting, I would agree.</p>
<p>And I also agree that the Greens should have been tougher with it in negotiations with Labour.</p>
<p>But, in principle, it is sound.  Vested interests should not be able to buy votes because they have more money to do so than anyone else, and donations to political parties should be publicly transparent to ensure voters know who may be buying the support of a particular party in their personal or corporate interests.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, the Act we ended up with is extraordinarily bureaucratic, and has loopholes (that maybe Labour wanted).</p>
<p>But at least it is better than having over $1m of hidden proxy advertising for a particular political party courtesy of a particularly nutty right wing fundie Christian fringe group who are waiting (impatiently) for the rapture.</p>
<p>That Key and Brash colluded with that bunch of fundie nutcases for over $1m proxy Nat advertising in 2005 is an absolute disgrace. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a bit like if McCain accepted proxy funding from the KKK (oops, sorry John McC, you might have.  The US laws are even worse, so you would not necessarily know anyway).</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Fischer</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/06/18/herald-misses-return-ship-home/#comment-46940</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff Fischer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 05:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/06/18/herald-misses-return-ship-home/#comment-46940</guid>
		<description>The Electoral Finance Act was an uncharacteristic miscalculation by Prime Minister Helen Clark - perhaps provoked by moral outrage at the actions of the Exclusive Brethren in 2005 which  blinded her to the political consequences of a head-on confrontation with APN and Fairfax media empires.   The fundamental reality is that in the twenty first century, when mass parties are a thing of the past and the mass media holds the power to influence, or even determine, the outcome of general elections, no democratic party can afford to be offside with the fourth estate.   By moving to control political advertising the Labour-led government managed to antagonise the media without, however, significantly limiting its ability to influence the electoral process.    

APN and Fairfax donâ€™t need access to second or third party advertising copy in order to shape the outcome of an election.   The can do so using editorials, regular political columnists, specially commissioned opinion pieces and selective political reporting.     That is the reality of the democratic process.   Democratic political parties need the support or acquiescence of the mass media if they are to have any hope of gaining and holding state power.   (Winston Peters has been able to retain a political toehold for New Zealand First by confronting the media, but that strategy has never been able to deliver him anything like a majority of the popular vote.   And there is certainly no room on that narrow ledge for both Winston Peters and Helen Clark.).   Winston Peters aside, any modern democratic political party that attempts to take on the media may as well be driven by a death wish.

The Greens wonâ€™t necessarily go down to defeat alongside Labour, partly because the Green parliamentarians have adopted what the media consider to be a more responsible attitude in the current parliament, and partly because APNâ€™s political strategists recognise that launching an offensive against a small party like the Greens would not be a good look.   To do so would create the impression of a bunch of right-wing bullies engaged in a general vendetta against the left.   And perhaps more importantly, the media donâ€™t want to bring about a situation in which the radical left stands entirely outside of the parliamentary tent.    But post-election, in the event of electoral success for the National Party, the Greens will still be left in the uncomfortable position of having to decide whether to follow Labour into the political wilderness, or to do a deal with a triumphant right-wing coalition.

It is naive to assume that the Electoral Finance Act heralds a return to a mythical â€ślevel playing fieldâ€? in New Zealand politics.   In practical terms, all it is likely to achieve is the ousting of the fifth Labour government.   And it does nothing to address the real problem for democratic politicians, the elephant in the room which is the power of the APN-Fairfax media duopoly.   The good news is that the more that APN (publishers of the New Zealand Herald and New Zealand Listener) try to dominate the political process in New Zealand, the more fragile their position  becomes.   (See â€śDemocracy under threatâ€? at www.republican.co.nz )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Electoral Finance Act was an uncharacteristic miscalculation by Prime Minister Helen Clark - perhaps provoked by moral outrage at the actions of the Exclusive Brethren in 2005 which  blinded her to the political consequences of a head-on confrontation with APN and Fairfax media empires.   The fundamental reality is that in the twenty first century, when mass parties are a thing of the past and the mass media holds the power to influence, or even determine, the outcome of general elections, no democratic party can afford to be offside with the fourth estate.   By moving to control political advertising the Labour-led government managed to antagonise the media without, however, significantly limiting its ability to influence the electoral process.    </p>
<p>APN and Fairfax donâ€™t need access to second or third party advertising copy in order to shape the outcome of an election.   The can do so using editorials, regular political columnists, specially commissioned opinion pieces and selective political reporting.     That is the reality of the democratic process.   Democratic political parties need the support or acquiescence of the mass media if they are to have any hope of gaining and holding state power.   (Winston Peters has been able to retain a political toehold for New Zealand First by confronting the media, but that strategy has never been able to deliver him anything like a majority of the popular vote.   And there is certainly no room on that narrow ledge for both Winston Peters and Helen Clark.).   Winston Peters aside, any modern democratic political party that attempts to take on the media may as well be driven by a death wish.</p>
<p>The Greens wonâ€™t necessarily go down to defeat alongside Labour, partly because the Green parliamentarians have adopted what the media consider to be a more responsible attitude in the current parliament, and partly because APNâ€™s political strategists recognise that launching an offensive against a small party like the Greens would not be a good look.   To do so would create the impression of a bunch of right-wing bullies engaged in a general vendetta against the left.   And perhaps more importantly, the media donâ€™t want to bring about a situation in which the radical left stands entirely outside of the parliamentary tent.    But post-election, in the event of electoral success for the National Party, the Greens will still be left in the uncomfortable position of having to decide whether to follow Labour into the political wilderness, or to do a deal with a triumphant right-wing coalition.</p>
<p>It is naive to assume that the Electoral Finance Act heralds a return to a mythical â€ślevel playing fieldâ€? in New Zealand politics.   In practical terms, all it is likely to achieve is the ousting of the fifth Labour government.   And it does nothing to address the real problem for democratic politicians, the elephant in the room which is the power of the APN-Fairfax media duopoly.   The good news is that the more that APN (publishers of the New Zealand Herald and New Zealand Listener) try to dominate the political process in New Zealand, the more fragile their position  becomes.   (See â€śDemocracy under threatâ€? at <a href="http://www.republican.co.nz" >http://www.republican.co.nz</a> )</p>
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		<title>By: big bro</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/06/18/herald-misses-return-ship-home/#comment-46926</link>
		<dc:creator>big bro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 03:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/06/18/herald-misses-return-ship-home/#comment-46926</guid>
		<description>John

Great (and highly informative) post, sadly you are wasting your time here, the Greens are not interested in facts.

For some reason they are against free speech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John</p>
<p>Great (and highly informative) post, sadly you are wasting your time here, the Greens are not interested in facts.</p>
<p>For some reason they are against free speech.</p>
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		<title>By: John Boscawen</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/06/18/herald-misses-return-ship-home/#comment-46923</link>
		<dc:creator>John Boscawen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 02:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/06/18/herald-misses-return-ship-home/#comment-46923</guid>
		<description>Ari, one of our most basic rights in a democracy is the right to campaign for or against a government ( or any politcal party) and to replace that government. Government's serve at the pleasure of the people. What this law restricts is the ability of people to "encourage or persuade  people to vote , or not to vote for a party or candiate". It restricts them in one of their most basic democratic rights. The Human Rights Commission does not disagree this is unreasonable. In fact they would probably argue that if a politcal party or candiate is to be restrcited as to what they spend, it is only logical to restrict "third parties" in the same way. The question becomes what are reasonable restrictions. The HRC beleived it was a cap of $300,000 for the last three months of th eeelction campaign. The simple fact is that parliament ignored their recommendation and voted to impose restrictions that were over 8 times more severe. ( 3.5 times longer and less than half as much).

Yes people can still be involved in issue based campaign, but they can not seek to  be involved in the democratic process by encouraging someone to vote or not vote for any particular party etc. 

With regard to donations of $10,000 or less to a particular political party you will never know. That is my point. 

A corporate with 20 separate subsidaries could give give $200,000 to New Zealand First ( or the Greens) by making separate donations of $10,000 ( one form each subsidary) and the public of New Zealand need never know. The EFA does not stop this. What is dishonest about this legislation is that MPs who support have argued that there will be greater disclosure, when there need not. That is misleading. 

The only person who need know is the financial agent of NZF and he has no duty to disclose. So how will you find out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ari, one of our most basic rights in a democracy is the right to campaign for or against a government ( or any politcal party) and to replace that government. Government&#8217;s serve at the pleasure of the people. What this law restricts is the ability of people to &#8220;encourage or persuade  people to vote , or not to vote for a party or candiate&#8221;. It restricts them in one of their most basic democratic rights. The Human Rights Commission does not disagree this is unreasonable. In fact they would probably argue that if a politcal party or candiate is to be restrcited as to what they spend, it is only logical to restrict &#8220;third parties&#8221; in the same way. The question becomes what are reasonable restrictions. The HRC beleived it was a cap of $300,000 for the last three months of th eeelction campaign. The simple fact is that parliament ignored their recommendation and voted to impose restrictions that were over 8 times more severe. ( 3.5 times longer and less than half as much).</p>
<p>Yes people can still be involved in issue based campaign, but they can not seek to  be involved in the democratic process by encouraging someone to vote or not vote for any particular party etc. </p>
<p>With regard to donations of $10,000 or less to a particular political party you will never know. That is my point. </p>
<p>A corporate with 20 separate subsidaries could give give $200,000 to New Zealand First ( or the Greens) by making separate donations of $10,000 ( one form each subsidary) and the public of New Zealand need never know. The EFA does not stop this. What is dishonest about this legislation is that MPs who support have argued that there will be greater disclosure, when there need not. That is misleading. </p>
<p>The only person who need know is the financial agent of NZF and he has no duty to disclose. So how will you find out?</p>
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