Comments on: The Latest from the Mokihinui River http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/16/the-latest-from-the-mokihinui-river/ hopping along the corridors of power Mon, 8 Sep 2008 03:40:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: treesoftomorrow http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/16/the-latest-from-the-mokihinui-river/#comment-43566 treesoftomorrow Sun, 18 May 2008 23:29:21 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/16/the-latest-from-the-mokihinui-river/#comment-43566 realistically no one in govt is going to tell solid energy what to do. realistically no one in govt is going to tell solid energy what to do.

]]> By: treesoftomorrow http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/16/the-latest-from-the-mokihinui-river/#comment-43565 treesoftomorrow Sun, 18 May 2008 23:28:17 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/16/the-latest-from-the-mokihinui-river/#comment-43565 they wont tho will they, they will work with other SOEs and scratch each others backs, with gerry brownlee or trevor mallards support. as john key has said: he supports brown coal diesel (lignite) the dirtiest coal there is. national and labour have roughly the same climate policy: more coal, taxpayer subsides. i suggest you visit the coast and look at their recycling systems, minings, farming and so on. they get stuck with the clean up cost, not the companies making the mess and profit. study opencast stripmining (mountian top removal) in appalacia for a stronger example or the opposite of energy effeciency and sustainability. and helen clark calls herself a sustainability hero.... and national says it cares about climate change.... -------------- Kevyn Says: May 19th, 2008 at 2:46 am treesoftomorrow, What gondola. Just musing on future options for getting tourists around our scenic spots once cruise ships have converted to sail power. Extending the proposed Milford gondola all the way up the Coast has a certain Jetsons attraction to it. Realisticly Solid Energy could probably generate the power needed by dairying by capturing coal seam methane. they wont tho will they, they will work with other SOEs and scratch each others backs, with gerry brownlee or trevor mallards support.

as john key has said: he supports brown coal diesel (lignite) the dirtiest coal there is.

national and labour have roughly the same climate policy: more coal, taxpayer subsides.

i suggest you visit the coast and look at their recycling systems, minings, farming and so on.

they get stuck with the clean up cost, not the companies making the mess and profit.

study opencast stripmining (mountian top removal) in appalacia for a stronger example or the opposite of energy effeciency and sustainability.

and helen clark calls herself a sustainability hero….
and national says it cares about climate change….

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Kevyn Says:

May 19th, 2008 at 2:46 am
treesoftomorrow, What gondola. Just musing on future options for getting tourists around our scenic spots once cruise ships have converted to sail power. Extending the proposed Milford gondola all the way up the Coast has a certain Jetsons attraction to it.

Realisticly Solid Energy could probably generate the power needed by dairying by capturing coal seam methane.

]]> By: turnip28 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/16/the-latest-from-the-mokihinui-river/#comment-43536 turnip28 Sun, 18 May 2008 16:41:30 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/16/the-latest-from-the-mokihinui-river/#comment-43536 Kevyn you are hitting on a very important point with regard to NZ's energy needs everyone talks about renewables etc but nobody ever talks about the elephant in the room which is Transpower's network and how it needs upgrading. Kevyn you are hitting on a very important point with regard to NZ’s energy needs everyone talks about renewables etc but nobody ever talks about the elephant in the room which is Transpower’s network and how it needs upgrading.

]]> By: Kevyn http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/16/the-latest-from-the-mokihinui-river/#comment-43531 Kevyn Sun, 18 May 2008 15:00:12 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/16/the-latest-from-the-mokihinui-river/#comment-43531 dbuckley. The solution may lie with the ability of remote telemetry systems to allow distributed generation to be managed in the same way that the Upper Waitaki scheme is currently managed. Similar to the way that the SCATS system co-ordinates arterial traffic lights in Christchurch. That system monitors demand across the network and assigns time at individual intersections to match the overall flow conditions on each artery. Not too different from the approach that would be needed to shuffle power around Transpower's network to match local demand/generation fluctuations. It just needs replacing a lot of old analogue switches with more modern designs that can handle rapid remote control. The research I've seen into this in Eu and USA suggests the switch upgrades should pay for themselves just in reduced transmission system losses and outages. dbuckley. The solution may lie with the ability of remote telemetry systems to allow distributed generation to be managed in the same way that the Upper Waitaki scheme is currently managed. Similar to the way that the SCATS system co-ordinates arterial traffic lights in Christchurch. That system monitors demand across the network and assigns time at individual intersections to match the overall flow conditions on each artery. Not too different from the approach that would be needed to shuffle power around Transpower’s network to match local demand/generation fluctuations. It just needs replacing a lot of old analogue switches with more modern designs that can handle rapid remote control. The research I’ve seen into this in Eu and USA suggests the switch upgrades should pay for themselves just in reduced transmission system losses and outages.

]]> By: Kevyn http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/16/the-latest-from-the-mokihinui-river/#comment-43530 Kevyn Sun, 18 May 2008 14:46:51 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/16/the-latest-from-the-mokihinui-river/#comment-43530 treesoftomorrow, What gondola. Just musing on future options for getting tourists around our scenic spots once cruise ships have converted to sail power. Extending the proposed Milford gondola all the way up the Coast has a certain Jetsons attraction to it. Realisticly Solid Energy could probably generate the power needed by dairying by capturing coal seam methane. treesoftomorrow, What gondola. Just musing on future options for getting tourists around our scenic spots once cruise ships have converted to sail power. Extending the proposed Milford gondola all the way up the Coast has a certain Jetsons attraction to it.

Realisticly Solid Energy could probably generate the power needed by dairying by capturing coal seam methane.

]]> By: treesoftomorrow http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/16/the-latest-from-the-mokihinui-river/#comment-43515 treesoftomorrow Sun, 18 May 2008 04:44:40 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/16/the-latest-from-the-mokihinui-river/#comment-43515 greenpeace also has a document on energy paths for NZ greenpeace also has a document on energy paths for NZ

]]> By: treesoftomorrow http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/16/the-latest-from-the-mokihinui-river/#comment-43514 treesoftomorrow Sun, 18 May 2008 04:44:08 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/16/the-latest-from-the-mokihinui-river/#comment-43514 realist or national lite? realist or national lite?

]]> By: turnip28 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/16/the-latest-from-the-mokihinui-river/#comment-43512 turnip28 Sun, 18 May 2008 03:32:30 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/16/the-latest-from-the-mokihinui-river/#comment-43512 If we have to switch to using more electricity in our transportation aren't we going to need more power generation to support that. Does anyone know if the 2025 plan of getting to 95% renewables is factoring in the need to generate more electricty because we have been forced to switch to electricity for transportation. Have we also factored in the massive upgrade and costs that are going to be needed for the transmission grid. I still don't like the greens energy policy since its too dreamy. They need to get some electrical engineers (are their any in the green party) and come up with some sound policy. This wishy washy dreamy green notion of building wind and tidal and solar every where doesn't cut it, I need real gritty engineered sound policy not pie in the sky dreamy green ravings. Like BJ i'm one of the few realist greens I just wish their were more like us. Oh and I am now sick and tired of the word sustainable it seems to be the most used word in NZ political speak these days. The next person who uses it needs to preface it with their definition of what they think it means. If we have to switch to using more electricity in our transportation aren’t we going to need more power generation to support that.

Does anyone know if the 2025 plan of getting to 95% renewables is factoring in the need to generate more electricty because we have been forced to switch to electricity for transportation.

Have we also factored in the massive upgrade and costs that are going to be needed for the transmission grid.

I still don’t like the greens energy policy since its too dreamy. They need to get some electrical engineers (are their any in the green party) and come up with some sound policy. This wishy washy dreamy green notion of building wind and tidal and solar every where doesn’t cut it, I need real gritty engineered sound policy not pie in the sky dreamy green ravings.

Like BJ i’m one of the few realist greens I just wish their were more like us.

Oh and I am now sick and tired of the word sustainable it seems to be the most used word in NZ political speak these days. The next person who uses it needs to preface it with their definition of what they think it means.

]]> By: dbuckley http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/16/the-latest-from-the-mokihinui-river/#comment-43507 dbuckley Sun, 18 May 2008 01:50:43 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/16/the-latest-from-the-mokihinui-river/#comment-43507 Given Lake Coleridge hydro plant was opened in 1914ish, and is still a useful resource nearly a century later, I think its fair to say that hydro has a fair track record in the long term front. But there are some irreconcilable problems for the Greens, and difficult problems even for anti-greens. Firstly is the question of hydro support Secondly is where is the electricity the country will need coming from. NZ was once 100% renewable electricity supplied, but we have let that get away from us; we need to figure out how to get back there, without destroying the country, the planet, or the economy, or freezing to death, and that is going to need some really smart thinking, and some world-leading change. No evidence of that thought process yet. Suggest the ETS is a step in the right direction and I'll fall off my chair laughing at how wide one can be of a mark; I said "smart thinking"... Given Lake Coleridge hydro plant was opened in 1914ish, and is still a useful resource nearly a century later, I think its fair to say that hydro has a fair track record in the long term front.

But there are some irreconcilable problems for the Greens, and difficult problems even for anti-greens.

Firstly is the question of hydro support

Secondly is where is the electricity the country will need coming from.

NZ was once 100% renewable electricity supplied, but we have let that get away from us; we need to figure out how to get back there, without destroying the country, the planet, or the economy, or freezing to death, and that is going to need some really smart thinking, and some world-leading change.

No evidence of that thought process yet. Suggest the ETS is a step in the right direction and I’ll fall off my chair laughing at how wide one can be of a mark; I said “smart thinking”…

]]> By: Tuatara http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/16/the-latest-from-the-mokihinui-river/#comment-43506 Tuatara Sun, 18 May 2008 01:20:17 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/05/16/the-latest-from-the-mokihinui-river/#comment-43506 What about energy conservation as an alternative ... or would that be too hard? What about energy conservation as an alternative … or would that be too hard?

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