What about Paleoclimate data?

http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/wg1/ar4-wg1-chapter6.pdf

page 467, perhaps.

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I heard an opinion that all this global warming issue was a political thing from a beginning. Anyway in order to properly judge the climate changes, scientists should have meteorological data for at least 4 or 5 centuries, or even more. But they don’t have it, so in my opinion they plain and simple can not tell if this is a global warming or a mere ordinary fluctuation of weather.

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If I had to guess, I would say it is because those areas will have the most impact on sea level and water solubility etc? I don’t know if those *are* the areas with those characteristics, but if they aren’t, then the media should be reporting on the ones that *are*.

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Well, so why do the media reports about global warming mostly focus on a small in area of Greenland and the West Antarctic peninsula and not the whole world equally?

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Seems to me this heading is wrong. The report actually only predicts that warming in the North Atlantic will stall. It predicts that the world as a whole will keep getting warmer through that period. See http://hot-topic.co.nz/2008/05/04/cool-for-cats/#more-385

Because of the overwhelming number of books and periodicals coming from Europe and the east coast of North America, it’s quite common for people to make the mistake of assuming global patterns based on North Atlantic trends. For example, the Medieval warm period is oftem mistakenly thought of as a global warm period, but it was actually only a North Atlantic warm period. The world as a whole was cooler then than it is now – only the North Atlantic wasn’t

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This whole subject (climate change) highlights some interesting, and unfortunate (in my opinion) aspects of human psychology.

Basically, many (most?) people only listen to what they want to hear. Optomists see a rosy future, pessimists see the end of the world, and everyone believes they are a realist (viewing things as they really are).

I’m not sure why we bother to fund science; if scientists say something we don’t want to hear, we simply don’t listen. If they say something we want to hear, it means all other views must be wrong. Objectivity doesn’t come into the equation.

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It does, if you realise what this study is actually about, and really saying. I’m working on a post about that now…

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It was Frog
Doesn’t really stack up with this post, though does it?

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If it should be getting colder but it only stays the same, it’s sort of like watching the a stock price level off after going up, rather than going down. It means that there’s upward pressure and the next move is more likely to be to a new high.

Can’t imagine that this is unfamiliar to folks on the business as usual side of this discussion but stranger discontinuities of understanding have manifested themselves.

BJ

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Some believe there is an external gravitational force (outside of our solar system) that is exerting more influence upon our system as it comes in on a polar orbit of our sun,that’s why the americans put that low powered radio telescope down at their base in antartica,

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Dunno who it was, but they’re right.

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Pop quiz

Who said this less than two months ago?

While many people now accept the consensus on climate change may be wrong, it is because evidence now seems to show change is happening faster than we thought.

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Yes. But then you have to take responsibility for the trees staying there. Not trivial. That was what Coldplay got wrong (Google Coldplay carbon offsets mango).

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How about international? Could I buy up some cheap third world land somewhere and plant trees?

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Last year, catastrophic global warming was predicted to take off in 2009, now it’s 2020?
Hmmmmm I suppose somewhere between 2017 and 2019 they’ll bump it back to 2030

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Easiest way in NZ is to plant some trees on land that was unforested in 1990, then register them with the govt’s forestry scheme. You’ll need to pay to have them monitored, but you’ll be earning credits.

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I have a general question.

How does one become certified to produce and sell carbon credits?

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The BOSH moniker is one I use elsewhere. A reference to Sir Henry at Rawlinson End, the meisterweerk of the late, great Vivian Stanshall. I used it the first time I commented here, long before the birth of Hot Topic, and my browser never forgets…

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So BOSH is GR…I thought hot-topic’s popularity had extended to the aristocracy myself…

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According to my mother, I am.

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