Comments on: The Herald poll http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/29/the-herald-poll/ hopping along the corridors of power Fri, 09 Jan 2009 03:51:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: solarpowered Candle http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/29/the-herald-poll/#comment-40162 solarpowered Candle Mon, 31 Mar 2008 01:54:14 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/29/the-herald-poll/#comment-40162 i believe i am pointing out why you are losing.and where some of these votes will be going too. especially young new voters. a leaky boat. But a big leak which could leave you high and dry. i believe i am pointing out why you are losing.and where some of these votes will be going too. especially young new voters. a leaky boat. But a big leak which could leave you high and dry.

]]> By: Valis http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/29/the-herald-poll/#comment-40134 Valis Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:52:01 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/29/the-herald-poll/#comment-40134 Couldn’t go to bed without commenting on solarpowered Candle’s post on cannabis. I would like to understand what where the “strong unrest� comes from exactly. What is it that the Greens should be doing that they are not? So far as I know, Green policy in this area is very much the same as in 1999. This is one of those issues whose time is coming, but hasn’t had broad support yet, due I believe to the very emotional nature of the debate. It is easy to scare people that reform would be bad and people like Peter Dunne have played this to the limit for political gain, culminating in his cooperation agreement with Labour 2002-2005 that barred support for reform of any kind, including for medicinal purposes. So there was no hope of anything happening then. Since 2005, he has reduced this demand and would consider medical use and Green MP Metiria Turei has such a bill in the ballot that has not been chosen yet. It seems unfair to call this putting one’s head in the sand. Of course, if all you care about is this one issue, then I’d give the same advice as to any other single issue voter - go elsewhere. But you won’t find the Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party in Parliament anytime soon, so your best hope is the Greens. So long as they have only six MPs, it will be an uphill struggle. Couldn’t go to bed without commenting on solarpowered Candle’s post on cannabis. I would like to understand what where the “strong unrest� comes from exactly. What is it that the Greens should be doing that they are not? So far as I know, Green policy in this area is very much the same as in 1999. This is one of those issues whose time is coming, but hasn’t had broad support yet, due I believe to the very emotional nature of the debate. It is easy to scare people that reform would be bad and people like Peter Dunne have played this to the limit for political gain, culminating in his cooperation agreement with Labour 2002-2005 that barred support for reform of any kind, including for medicinal purposes. So there was no hope of anything happening then. Since 2005, he has reduced this demand and would consider medical use and Green MP Metiria Turei has such a bill in the ballot that has not been chosen yet. It seems unfair to call this putting one’s head in the sand. Of course, if all you care about is this one issue, then I’d give the same advice as to any other single issue voter - go elsewhere. But you won’t find the Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party in Parliament anytime soon, so your best hope is the Greens. So long as they have only six MPs, it will be an uphill struggle.

]]> By: frog http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/29/the-herald-poll/#comment-40124 frog Sun, 30 Mar 2008 01:53:52 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/29/the-herald-poll/#comment-40124 BB - So you say: "I want some “social justiceâ€? of my own, I want our streets to be safe, I want out schools free of drugs, I want criminals to be sent away for the entire length of their sentence and most of all I want to see everybody working for what they receive from those of us who pay tax." But then you don't want to pay for it. There is only one term for that, and that is freeloading. I'm not calling you a freeloader, as I suspect that you do indeed contribute to this society. As you should. The notion that anyone ever makes a success of themselves in isolation, without the use of the commons and all the infrastructure that society provides, is just absurd. People should pay in tax in proportion to the benefits they receive from living in that particular society. You don't get to hang out at the country club without paying your dues. After the dues are paid, it's not 'my money' any more. It belongs to the elected board of the country club - the government. If they screw it up, elect someone else. But don't go demanding lower dues and expect all the same benefits of belonging to the club. BB - So you say: “I want some “social justiceâ€? of my own, I want our streets to be safe, I want out schools free of drugs, I want criminals to be sent away for the entire length of their sentence and most of all I want to see everybody working for what they receive from those of us who pay tax.”

But then you don’t want to pay for it. There is only one term for that, and that is freeloading. I’m not calling you a freeloader, as I suspect that you do indeed contribute to this society. As you should.

The notion that anyone ever makes a success of themselves in isolation, without the use of the commons and all the infrastructure that society provides, is just absurd. People should pay in tax in proportion to the benefits they receive from living in that particular society. You don’t get to hang out at the country club without paying your dues. After the dues are paid, it’s not ‘my money’ any more. It belongs to the elected board of the country club - the government. If they screw it up, elect someone else. But don’t go demanding lower dues and expect all the same benefits of belonging to the club.

]]> By: Kevyn http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/29/the-herald-poll/#comment-40120 Kevyn Sun, 30 Mar 2008 01:05:11 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/29/the-herald-poll/#comment-40120 TonyK, Try this link for the effect of margin of error for parties on the fringes: http://www.humanespot.org/node/2644 TonyK, Try this link for the effect of margin of error for parties on the fringes:

http://www.humanespot.org/node/2644

]]> By: big bro http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/29/the-herald-poll/#comment-40116 big bro Sun, 30 Mar 2008 00:40:59 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/29/the-herald-poll/#comment-40116 Frog Where did my post go? Frog

Where did my post go?

]]> By: StephenR http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/29/the-herald-poll/#comment-40115 StephenR Sun, 30 Mar 2008 00:27:49 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/29/the-herald-poll/#comment-40115 Also I like your sophisticated analysis of the Greens' current policies, really cutting to the heart of what is really relevant. Past thought-crimes on the part of MPs are a problem too, you're right! Also I like your sophisticated analysis of the Greens’ current policies, really cutting to the heart of what is really relevant. Past thought-crimes on the part of MPs are a problem too, you’re right!

]]> By: StephenR http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/29/the-herald-poll/#comment-40114 StephenR Sun, 30 Mar 2008 00:24:44 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/29/the-herald-poll/#comment-40114 Roger Kerr just spoke out in favour of a carbon tax, that pinko! Roger Kerr just spoke out in favour of a carbon tax, that pinko!

]]> By: big bro http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/29/the-herald-poll/#comment-40113 big bro Sun, 30 Mar 2008 00:17:10 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/29/the-herald-poll/#comment-40113 GWDenier People are beginning to wake up to the con that is Kyoto, if you want to know the real reason the hard left are so keen is that Kyoto will result in the largest ever redistribution of wealth. That has always been the goal of the left. GWDenier

People are beginning to wake up to the con that is Kyoto, if you want to know the real reason the hard left are so keen is that Kyoto will result in the largest ever redistribution of wealth.

That has always been the goal of the left.

]]> By: GW Denier http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/29/the-herald-poll/#comment-40112 GW Denier Sat, 29 Mar 2008 23:40:29 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/29/the-herald-poll/#comment-40112 Lets not beat around the bush here, the Greens are the unofficial COMMUNIST Party. I bet quite a few of them have taken advise from the Kremlin via KGB moles in NZ in the past before the Berlin Wall fell. Crack open the watermelon and you find it's red inside. Locke and Sadford are both ex. Communist members. I am sure there were others. Also, all this GW crap is starting to fall down, people are waking up to what it is really about, tax, tax, tax. And with more tax and falling income you start to lose freedom. Example, you will not be able to afford petrol to go on a long drive for a holiday so you stay at home. Lets not beat around the bush here, the Greens are the unofficial COMMUNIST Party. I bet quite a few of them have taken advise from the Kremlin via KGB moles in NZ in the past before the Berlin Wall fell. Crack open the watermelon and you find it’s red inside.
Locke and Sadford are both ex. Communist members. I am sure there were others.

Also, all this GW crap is starting to fall down, people are waking up to what it is really about, tax, tax, tax. And with more tax and falling income you start to lose freedom. Example, you will not be able to afford petrol to go on a long drive for a holiday so you stay at home.

]]> By: solarpowered Candle http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/29/the-herald-poll/#comment-40110 solarpowered Candle Sat, 29 Mar 2008 23:13:19 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/29/the-herald-poll/#comment-40110 legalise nature . there is a strong unrest with traditional cannabis voters who have switched now that the green party have let them down. Being green is good but not if you are being exterminated through pharmacueticals . And the party you have voted for all these years sits back with big grins and puts their head in the sand. legalise nature . there is a strong unrest with traditional cannabis voters who have switched now that the green party have let them down. Being green is good but not if you are being exterminated through pharmacueticals . And the party you have voted for all these years sits back with big grins and puts their head in the sand.

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