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	<title>Comments on: Trade and debt</title>
	<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/21/trade-and-debt/</link>
	<description>hopping along the corridors of power</description>
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		<title>By: bjchip</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/21/trade-and-debt/#comment-39859</link>
		<dc:creator>bjchip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/21/trade-and-debt/#comment-39859</guid>
		<description>Ive suggested a "tobin" tax to Cullen in my letters to him.  It hasn't formed any part of his replies.   Maybe I will add it to the next letter I send (pointing out that the official inflation numbers of the USA are nonsense).  

I don't see how we can expect to have any sort of sane monetary policy without doing something to insulate us from the idiocy that passes for monetary policy in other countries. 

BJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ive suggested a &#8220;tobin&#8221; tax to Cullen in my letters to him.  It hasn&#8217;t formed any part of his replies.   Maybe I will add it to the next letter I send (pointing out that the official inflation numbers of the USA are nonsense).  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see how we can expect to have any sort of sane monetary policy without doing something to insulate us from the idiocy that passes for monetary policy in other countries. </p>
<p>BJ</p>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/21/trade-and-debt/#comment-39849</link>
		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/21/trade-and-debt/#comment-39849</guid>
		<description>as i've said, in my view the balance of payments fiscal responsibility act would act upon the capital side of the accounts.  the results of shifting from consumption to production on an economy-wide basis might not necessarily be as unthinkable for us &#38; our nieces as you might suppose.  it might mean for example she could actually find work in her specialized area of design instead of at the bar, &#38; could have a satisfying creative (&#38; maybe even well-paying) career.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as i&#8217;ve said, in my view the balance of payments fiscal responsibility act would act upon the capital side of the accounts.  the results of shifting from consumption to production on an economy-wide basis might not necessarily be as unthinkable for us &amp; our nieces as you might suppose.  it might mean for example she could actually find work in her specialized area of design instead of at the bar, &amp; could have a satisfying creative (&amp; maybe even well-paying) career.</p>
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		<title>By: samiam</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/21/trade-and-debt/#comment-39842</link>
		<dc:creator>samiam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/21/trade-and-debt/#comment-39842</guid>
		<description>Andrew, how dare you suggest that my $45 thou indebted, design qualified, niece would be a Pizza Delivery girl! She's a cafe tart, woops I mean Barista.
Seriously I believe a lot more of NZ's social ills can be laid at the door of our balance of payments deficit. We spend more than we earn = debt = family stress = both parents have to go to work = problem kids etc etc.
Funny though, the government(s) would never burst the bubble by introducing some form of balance of payments 'fiscal responsibility act'. The 'great unwashed' are far too addicted to the 'have now-pay later'. Imagine having to save up to buy that plasma screen! Unthinkable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, how dare you suggest that my $45 thou indebted, design qualified, niece would be a Pizza Delivery girl! She&#8217;s a cafe tart, woops I mean Barista.<br />
Seriously I believe a lot more of NZ&#8217;s social ills can be laid at the door of our balance of payments deficit. We spend more than we earn = debt = family stress = both parents have to go to work = problem kids etc etc.<br />
Funny though, the government(s) would never burst the bubble by introducing some form of balance of payments &#8216;fiscal responsibility act&#8217;. The &#8216;great unwashed&#8217; are far too addicted to the &#8216;have now-pay later&#8217;. Imagine having to save up to buy that plasma screen! Unthinkable.</p>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/21/trade-and-debt/#comment-39779</link>
		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 07:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/21/trade-and-debt/#comment-39779</guid>
		<description>good trade deficits vs bad trade deficits....  they say that the definition of "broke" is when you have to borrow to finance current consumption, while the definition of "bankrupt" is when you have to borrow even just to pay the interest on existing debt.  new zealand falls under the latter description.  
despite all the "deficits don't matter!" &#38; "debt doesn't matter!" arguments, i suspect brash has never actually believed this.  i seem to recall at one point he wanted to make nz's national debt his signature issue in politics, but this got swept away by the ultra-right-wing programme &#38; populist maskings that programme hid behind.  all very well to be refreshingly honest, but do we really need MPs who have no idea what to do about the country's problems?  it's more probable that he, like me, suspects that regulation is realistically the most applicable solution, but that this fact was unpalatable to him. 

our deficits didn't just come about because we suddenly became poor at producing or at exporting, nor did a previously sober race suddenly say "hey these credit cards are great!  we can spend more than we earn!"  in fact we're probably better exporters than ever before, with an economy more focussed on our export industries instead of on the old inefficient import-replacement manufacturing.

while a situation like this is more complex than can be fully accounted for in generalities, in the main we didn't get into debt from trade imbalances - the problem is primarily generated from the other side of the equation - trade imbalances arise from capital movement imbalances.  the precipitate liberalization of capital markets &#38; ownership regulations along with the sale of state assets have dragged investment into the country (not so much into new productive capacity but simply into acquisitions), which has kept the dollar high &#38; hence foreign stuff cheap.  the government compounds that problem by insisting on defending the high dollar (because allowing imort prices to adjust to long-term levels is called... inflation!) which not only alleviates the perception of risk for foreigners making an investment into such an already indebted country, but which keeps the rate of return high &#38; attractive.  add the inflating property market dragging capital away from the productive sector &#38; there is little incentive for households to save &#38; defer expenditure. 

simply devaluing the dollar today would be a mistake.  although it would hurt foreigners currently holding nz equity or debt, it would make investments here even cheaper for foreigners in the short term while ironically reassuring such investors that nz was now on a sounder economic footing for the future.  it is also questionable whether we can instantly adjust to exporting more &#38; importing less, or whether for a while we would simply keep on importing but at higher prices.  
that is why i consider direct regulation of capital movements &#38; foreign ownership, perhaps to the extent of some nationalisation, (&#38; perhaps through taxation as samiam suggests: in particular ensuring the corporate tax rate is at least as high as the highest personal tax rate) is the place to start dealing with the issue, the sooner the better. 

i acknowledge that besides these core issues there are other matters contributing to the problem, such as student debt.  offering long-term loans to kids who are bulletproof &#38; confident that their glittering career, supported by the qualification for which they are paying, will make repaying the loan easy, seems irresponsible.  the reality is that like other western countries we are producing highly qualified pizza delivery drivers.
the phrase "over-educated" would be a bit harsh, everyone has the right to education, but i consider the government's role should be the provision of free public libraries, broadcasting, websites etc. - not to process masses of people through a commercial qualifications framework.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good trade deficits vs bad trade deficits&#8230;.  they say that the definition of &#8220;broke&#8221; is when you have to borrow to finance current consumption, while the definition of &#8220;bankrupt&#8221; is when you have to borrow even just to pay the interest on existing debt.  new zealand falls under the latter description.<br />
despite all the &#8220;deficits don&#8217;t matter!&#8221; &amp; &#8220;debt doesn&#8217;t matter!&#8221; arguments, i suspect brash has never actually believed this.  i seem to recall at one point he wanted to make nz&#8217;s national debt his signature issue in politics, but this got swept away by the ultra-right-wing programme &amp; populist maskings that programme hid behind.  all very well to be refreshingly honest, but do we really need MPs who have no idea what to do about the country&#8217;s problems?  it&#8217;s more probable that he, like me, suspects that regulation is realistically the most applicable solution, but that this fact was unpalatable to him. </p>
<p>our deficits didn&#8217;t just come about because we suddenly became poor at producing or at exporting, nor did a previously sober race suddenly say &#8220;hey these credit cards are great!  we can spend more than we earn!&#8221;  in fact we&#8217;re probably better exporters than ever before, with an economy more focussed on our export industries instead of on the old inefficient import-replacement manufacturing.</p>
<p>while a situation like this is more complex than can be fully accounted for in generalities, in the main we didn&#8217;t get into debt from trade imbalances - the problem is primarily generated from the other side of the equation - trade imbalances arise from capital movement imbalances.  the precipitate liberalization of capital markets &amp; ownership regulations along with the sale of state assets have dragged investment into the country (not so much into new productive capacity but simply into acquisitions), which has kept the dollar high &amp; hence foreign stuff cheap.  the government compounds that problem by insisting on defending the high dollar (because allowing imort prices to adjust to long-term levels is called&#8230; inflation!) which not only alleviates the perception of risk for foreigners making an investment into such an already indebted country, but which keeps the rate of return high &amp; attractive.  add the inflating property market dragging capital away from the productive sector &amp; there is little incentive for households to save &amp; defer expenditure. </p>
<p>simply devaluing the dollar today would be a mistake.  although it would hurt foreigners currently holding nz equity or debt, it would make investments here even cheaper for foreigners in the short term while ironically reassuring such investors that nz was now on a sounder economic footing for the future.  it is also questionable whether we can instantly adjust to exporting more &amp; importing less, or whether for a while we would simply keep on importing but at higher prices.<br />
that is why i consider direct regulation of capital movements &amp; foreign ownership, perhaps to the extent of some nationalisation, (&amp; perhaps through taxation as samiam suggests: in particular ensuring the corporate tax rate is at least as high as the highest personal tax rate) is the place to start dealing with the issue, the sooner the better. </p>
<p>i acknowledge that besides these core issues there are other matters contributing to the problem, such as student debt.  offering long-term loans to kids who are bulletproof &amp; confident that their glittering career, supported by the qualification for which they are paying, will make repaying the loan easy, seems irresponsible.  the reality is that like other western countries we are producing highly qualified pizza delivery drivers.<br />
the phrase &#8220;over-educated&#8221; would be a bit harsh, everyone has the right to education, but i consider the government&#8217;s role should be the provision of free public libraries, broadcasting, websites etc. - not to process masses of people through a commercial qualifications framework.</p>
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		<title>By: jh</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/21/trade-and-debt/#comment-39712</link>
		<dc:creator>jh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/21/trade-and-debt/#comment-39712</guid>
		<description>If itâ€™s true as the evidence seems to indicate that New Zealandâ€™s free trade for growth agenda is leading to larger and larger current account deficits, what does that mean for our economy? 
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We have a housing affordability problem yet, when selling started for Pegasus Town (the largest subdivision in the Southern hemisphere), locals were limited to one property; Singaporeans could buy as many as they wanted.
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The latest North South magazine says builders are still building leaky homes.
It also devotes a page to typical Kiwi houses from the past noting how well built state houses were to the "developer driven" junk of today</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If itâ€™s true as the evidence seems to indicate that New Zealandâ€™s free trade for growth agenda is leading to larger and larger current account deficits, what does that mean for our economy?<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..<br />
We have a housing affordability problem yet, when selling started for Pegasus Town (the largest subdivision in the Southern hemisphere), locals were limited to one property; Singaporeans could buy as many as they wanted.<br />
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The latest North South magazine says builders are still building leaky homes.<br />
It also devotes a page to typical Kiwi houses from the past noting how well built state houses were to the &#8220;developer driven&#8221; junk of today</p>
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		<title>By: samiam</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/21/trade-and-debt/#comment-39689</link>
		<dc:creator>samiam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 04:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/21/trade-and-debt/#comment-39689</guid>
		<description>How about making all export earnings (including capital inflows) tax free and counter it with a capital gains tax (at the same rate as any other form of income). What would happen then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about making all export earnings (including capital inflows) tax free and counter it with a capital gains tax (at the same rate as any other form of income). What would happen then?</p>
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		<title>By: kahikatea</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/21/trade-and-debt/#comment-39684</link>
		<dc:creator>kahikatea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 02:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/21/trade-and-debt/#comment-39684</guid>
		<description>#   BluePeter Says:
March 21st, 2008 at 1:22 pm

&#62; Do only â€œreal peopleâ€? have kids?

what a peculiar question. Of course only real people have real kids, though imaginary people may have imaginary kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#   BluePeter Says:<br />
March 21st, 2008 at 1:22 pm</p>
<p>&gt; Do only â€œreal peopleâ€? have kids?</p>
<p>what a peculiar question. Of course only real people have real kids, though imaginary people may have imaginary kids.</p>
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		<title>By: BluePeter</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/21/trade-and-debt/#comment-39663</link>
		<dc:creator>BluePeter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 00:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/21/trade-and-debt/#comment-39663</guid>
		<description>Do only "real people" have kids?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do only &#8220;real people&#8221; have kids?</p>
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		<title>By: StephenR</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/21/trade-and-debt/#comment-39662</link>
		<dc:creator>StephenR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 00:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/21/trade-and-debt/#comment-39662</guid>
		<description>Interesting accounts above.

'trap' or not, WFF certainly appears to help many 'real people'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting accounts above.</p>
<p>&#8216;trap&#8217; or not, WFF certainly appears to help many &#8216;real people&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: ZenTiger</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/21/trade-and-debt/#comment-39661</link>
		<dc:creator>ZenTiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 00:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/21/trade-and-debt/#comment-39661</guid>
		<description>Now we just need to think about how the State collects more tax revenue than absolutely required, and it's share of the blame when it forces lower and middle class Kiwis to run at a deficit.  The government surpluses typically mean that real people have tightened their belts needlessly.  The government's high spending forcing interest rates up at the expense of people trying to pay off a mortgage hasn't helped either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now we just need to think about how the State collects more tax revenue than absolutely required, and it&#8217;s share of the blame when it forces lower and middle class Kiwis to run at a deficit.  The government surpluses typically mean that real people have tightened their belts needlessly.  The government&#8217;s high spending forcing interest rates up at the expense of people trying to pay off a mortgage hasn&#8217;t helped either.</p>
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