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		<title>By: Ari</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/13/the-minister-of-fonterra-affairs/#comment-39337</link>
		<dc:creator>Ari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 08:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a note, seeing you&#039;re new to NZ- politicians at #6 or higher on a party list are guaranteed a seat if their party exceeds the 5% threshhold, and in most cases politicians at #7 are likely to qualify even with votes under 6%, due to wastage from votes for parties that didn&#039;t reach 5% or win an electorate seat.</description>
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<p>Just a note, seeing you&#8217;re new to NZ- politicians at #6 or higher on a party list are guaranteed a seat if their party exceeds the 5% threshhold, and in most cases politicians at #7 are likely to qualify even with votes under 6%, due to wastage from votes for parties that didn&#8217;t reach 5% or win an electorate seat.</p>
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		<title>By: Aristophanes</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/13/the-minister-of-fonterra-affairs/#comment-39298</link>
		<dc:creator>Aristophanes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a person new to NZ I wasn&#039;t aware of what a right-on and downright funky man that Keith Locke is. This questioning of Winston (funnily enough I already know who HE is!) is awesome.

I hope Keith does OK in the upcoming election this year, where is he on the party list? Oh, number five currently I see. Go Keith!</description>
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<p>As a person new to NZ I wasn&#8217;t aware of what a right-on and downright funky man that Keith Locke is. This questioning of Winston (funnily enough I already know who HE is!) is awesome.</p>
<p>I hope Keith does OK in the upcoming election this year, where is he on the party list? Oh, number five currently I see. Go Keith!</p>
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		<title>By: jh</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/13/the-minister-of-fonterra-affairs/#comment-39290</link>
		<dc:creator>jh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Winstons previous rantings on immigration have been written off as racist. There is nothing to say that immigrants are better or worse than residents however do we need to import over population when NZ&#039;s longterm comparative advantage is in agriculture? 
Constables England has long gone with Dick Whittington and Tom Thumb and &lt;i&gt;&quot;they&quot;&lt;/i&gt; still want more and more people.  :roll:</description>
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<p>Winstons previous rantings on immigration have been written off as racist. There is nothing to say that immigrants are better or worse than residents however do we need to import over population when NZ&#8217;s longterm comparative advantage is in agriculture?<br />
Constables England has long gone with Dick Whittington and Tom Thumb and <i>&#8220;they&#8221;</i> still want more and more people.  <img src='http://blog.greens.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif' alt=':roll:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: jh</title>
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		<dc:creator>jh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think you can compare China and Zimbabwe as China is &quot;smoking&quot;.</description>
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<p>I don&#8217;t think you can compare China and Zimbabwe as China is &#8220;smoking&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: jh</title>
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		<dc:creator>jh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chinas problems have to be looked at in light of its population (ie)demanding diddely squat for its workers could be argued as highly extravagant.</description>
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<p>Chinas problems have to be looked at in light of its population (ie)demanding diddely squat for its workers could be argued as highly extravagant.</p>
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		<title>By: Ari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, that&#039;s the first time I&#039;ve had a &quot;what the...?&quot; moment when reading something from Keith Locke, who&#039;s usually pretty sensible. I would&#039;ve thought he was already pretty clear on the fact that question time only relates to ministerial responsibilities? Sadly, Winston has to take the party line on this issue and not pressure the FTA agreement too much while he&#039;s wearing his ministerial hat.

(Although a question time that applied to the leaders of all parties &lt;i&gt;would&lt;/i&gt; be really interesting, and potentially incredibly embarrassing for parties that never release any policy ;) )

I agree that it&#039;s sad that Winston does not view part of his job as FA minister to actively pressure countries on developing abuses of human rights, as well as cuddling up to our friends. (Although it&#039;s pretty typical of Winston&#039;s NZ-centric attitude) We know he&#039;s been an extraordinarily good Foreign Affairs minister in that second sense, but come on- human rights have to be just as important as that.</description>
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<p>Wow, that&#8217;s the first time I&#8217;ve had a &#8220;what the&#8230;?&#8221; moment when reading something from Keith Locke, who&#8217;s usually pretty sensible. I would&#8217;ve thought he was already pretty clear on the fact that question time only relates to ministerial responsibilities? Sadly, Winston has to take the party line on this issue and not pressure the FTA agreement too much while he&#8217;s wearing his ministerial hat.</p>
<p>(Although a question time that applied to the leaders of all parties <i>would</i> be really interesting, and potentially incredibly embarrassing for parties that never release any policy <img src='http://blog.greens.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
<p>I agree that it&#8217;s sad that Winston does not view part of his job as FA minister to actively pressure countries on developing abuses of human rights, as well as cuddling up to our friends. (Although it&#8217;s pretty typical of Winston&#8217;s NZ-centric attitude) We know he&#8217;s been an extraordinarily good Foreign Affairs minister in that second sense, but come on- human rights have to be just as important as that.</p>
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		<title>By: frog</title>
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		<dc:creator>frog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And for more, let&#039;s compare today&#039;s:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;At the last election, and at every election for quite a few years, I promised, like most members of Parliament, my responsibility and my efforts and energy to the progression of the social and economic welfare of New Zealanders. I have not spent all my time trying to find some problem in some far-flung country and sought to make it the main concern of this Parliament.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

with &lt;a href=http://www.nzfirst.org.nz/content/display_item.php?t=0&amp;i=203 rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this from 2002&lt;/a&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;The time for New Zealand to simply say that we have &#039;concerns&#039; about Zimbabwe are over. We must take action by withdrawing all diplomatic, military, and aid ties with Zimbabwe, and encourage other nations to do the same.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s also worth reading &lt;a href=http://www.nzfirst.org.nz/content/display_item.php?t=1&amp;i=44 rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this speech on the WTO&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=http://www.nzfirst.org.nz/content/display_item.php?t=1&amp;i=2090 rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this one on trade with China&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;And letâ€™s be clear â€“ New Zealand jobs are under threat and in a big way.

They are under threat from Labour and Nationalâ€™s obsession with signing Free Trade Agreements with low wage Asian economies.

This biggest of these threats is the proposed China Free Trade Agreement.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
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<p>And for more, let&#8217;s compare today&#8217;s:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;At the last election, and at every election for quite a few years, I promised, like most members of Parliament, my responsibility and my efforts and energy to the progression of the social and economic welfare of New Zealanders. I have not spent all my time trying to find some problem in some far-flung country and sought to make it the main concern of this Parliament.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>with <a href=http://www.nzfirst.org.nz/content/display_item.php?t=0&#038;i=203 rel="nofollow">this from 2002</a> </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The time for New Zealand to simply say that we have &#8216;concerns&#8217; about Zimbabwe are over. We must take action by withdrawing all diplomatic, military, and aid ties with Zimbabwe, and encourage other nations to do the same.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s also worth reading <a href=http://www.nzfirst.org.nz/content/display_item.php?t=1&#038;i=44 rel="nofollow">this speech on the WTO</a> and <a href=http://www.nzfirst.org.nz/content/display_item.php?t=1&#038;i=2090 rel="nofollow">this one on trade with China</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>And letâ€™s be clear â€“ New Zealand jobs are under threat and in a big way.</p>
<p>They are under threat from Labour and Nationalâ€™s obsession with signing Free Trade Agreements with low wage Asian economies.</p>
<p>This biggest of these threats is the proposed China Free Trade Agreement.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: toad</title>
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		<dc:creator>toad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 07:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>Although frog did link to it, some frogblog readers may have missed <a href="http://www.nzfirst.org.nz/content/display_item.php?t=0&amp;i=1961" rel="nofollow">this</a> evidence of NZ First&#8217;s extraordinary display of duplicity.  Makes it clear the NZ First really does stand for nothing other than the baubles of power:</p>
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31 May 2005<br />
Rt Hon Winston Peters<br />
Media Release </p>
<p>CHINA FTA WILL HELP &#8220;ASIANISE&#8221; NZ &#8211; PETERS<br />
After changing the face of New Zealand through massive unfocused immigration, Helen Clark now intends destroying our manufacturing base and wrecking our economy by signing a Free Trade Agreement with China, says the Rt Hon Winston Peters.</p>
<p>â€œChina is simply using New Zealand as a political pawn to gain entry into the World Trade Organisation, and this government is so naÃ¯ve that it is playing along without any thought for the impact of such a deal on our economy.  </p>
<p>â€œNew Zealand workers will be forced to further compete with cheap Asian labour, and the trickle of New Zealand business relocating to Asia will become a torrent.  </p>
<p>â€œThe fact that China will not consider including our dairy products as part of the FTA highlights just how skewed any deal will be in favour of China.â€?</p>
<p>Mr Peters said the proposed FTA was a â€œlose/loseâ€? scenario for New Zealanders. </p>
<p>â€œWe already lose $2 billion a year to China through unbalanced trade and a FTA would see this get substantially worse.  Ultimately our economic sovereignty would be subsumed by the Chinese juggernaut.  </p>
<p>â€œThis begs the question of where is the CTU now the workers really need it?â€? asked Mr Peters.</p>
<p>ENDS </p></blockquote>
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