<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><!-- generator="wordpress/2.3.3" -->
<rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Another $100 per barrel flirtation</title>
	<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/02/20/another-100-per-barrel-flirtation/</link>
	<description>hopping along the corridors of power</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 01:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3</generator>
		<item>
		<title>By: Trevor29</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/02/20/another-100-per-barrel-flirtation/#comment-38375</link>
		<dc:creator>Trevor29</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/02/20/another-100-per-barrel-flirtation/#comment-38375</guid>
		<description>Is CNG covered by the biofuels sales obligation? Or is that restricted to liquid fuels?

Trevor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is CNG covered by the biofuels sales obligation? Or is that restricted to liquid fuels?</p>
<p>Trevor.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: kahikatea</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/02/20/another-100-per-barrel-flirtation/#comment-38354</link>
		<dc:creator>kahikatea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 04:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/02/20/another-100-per-barrel-flirtation/#comment-38354</guid>
		<description>#  Trevor29 Says:
February 25th, 2008 at 12:15 am

&#62; Adapting new cars to run on CNG might not be a bad idea IMHO.

Unfortunately the Muldoon government built power stations which used up lots of the gas, so there's not much left.

If we had used the gas directly for cooking and water heating, the amount of electricity use it displaced would have been about three times as much as the amount of electricity the power station gave us. This way it could have lasted 3 times as long, or we could have had plenty left over for CNG to power transport.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#  Trevor29 Says:<br />
February 25th, 2008 at 12:15 am</p>
<p>&gt; Adapting new cars to run on CNG might not be a bad idea IMHO.</p>
<p>Unfortunately the Muldoon government built power stations which used up lots of the gas, so there&#8217;s not much left.</p>
<p>If we had used the gas directly for cooking and water heating, the amount of electricity use it displaced would have been about three times as much as the amount of electricity the power station gave us. This way it could have lasted 3 times as long, or we could have had plenty left over for CNG to power transport.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Trevor29</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/02/20/another-100-per-barrel-flirtation/#comment-38314</link>
		<dc:creator>Trevor29</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 11:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/02/20/another-100-per-barrel-flirtation/#comment-38314</guid>
		<description>Adapting new cars to run on CNG might not be a bad idea IMHO.

Unfortunately that option is only available in the North Island.

Trevor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adapting new cars to run on CNG might not be a bad idea IMHO.</p>
<p>Unfortunately that option is only available in the North Island.</p>
<p>Trevor.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: kahikatea</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/02/20/another-100-per-barrel-flirtation/#comment-38240</link>
		<dc:creator>kahikatea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/02/20/another-100-per-barrel-flirtation/#comment-38240</guid>
		<description>actually, lots of new refineries need to be built just to stand still. That's because we're running out of high-grade crude and having to use more low-grade crude, and many of the old refineries can't cope with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually, lots of new refineries need to be built just to stand still. That&#8217;s because we&#8217;re running out of high-grade crude and having to use more low-grade crude, and many of the old refineries can&#8217;t cope with it.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: insider</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/02/20/another-100-per-barrel-flirtation/#comment-38226</link>
		<dc:creator>insider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/02/20/another-100-per-barrel-flirtation/#comment-38226</guid>
		<description>If you don't think any refineries are being built go take a look at China. Of course there are no major ones going up in mature markets as they can meet demand through reengineering existing sites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you don&#8217;t think any refineries are being built go take a look at China. Of course there are no major ones going up in mature markets as they can meet demand through reengineering existing sites.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: NigelW</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/02/20/another-100-per-barrel-flirtation/#comment-38170</link>
		<dc:creator>NigelW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 04:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/02/20/another-100-per-barrel-flirtation/#comment-38170</guid>
		<description>Yup, the refinery issue was only a minor part of the issue. See:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/feb/20/oil.useconomy

&lt;blockquote&gt;
An explosion at a Texas oil refinery sparked early nerves among traders, causing a shutdown of the Big Spring facility which processes 70,000 barrels of oil per day. There was also concern about heightened tension between America and Hugo Chavez's regime in oil producing Venezuela.

But analysts said the real reason for a $4.51 rise during the day was a mounting recognition that Opec could tighten the flow of oil into the global market when oil ministers meet on March 5.

and

Algeria's oil minister Chakib Khelil, who chairs Opec, told Reuters: "Production is not going to increase. It will either decrease or be stable."
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So a broken pump can cause the odd ripple, but it takes a statement by the chairman of OPEC to really put the frighteners into the market.

They're not building more refinery capacity because there is no likelihood of any increase in production.  OPEC will not increase production because it cant - the easy oil is running out.  

Venezuela has not increased production over the last five years or so because its easy oil is cut as well, and its nerves about Enron et al are more about grabbing a bigger share of a diminishing resource than about socialism vs capitalism.  That's why Chavez is very anxious about possible military interference from USA because he is walking the fine line between clinging to his country's major source of income vs posing a strategic threat to a power that has already anexed by military conquest much of OPEC's production in Arabia.  

Its not a pretty picture is it?!?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, the refinery issue was only a minor part of the issue. See:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/feb/20/oil.useconomy" >http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/feb/20/oil.useconomy</a></p>
<blockquote><p>
An explosion at a Texas oil refinery sparked early nerves among traders, causing a shutdown of the Big Spring facility which processes 70,000 barrels of oil per day. There was also concern about heightened tension between America and Hugo Chavez&#8217;s regime in oil producing Venezuela.</p>
<p>But analysts said the real reason for a $4.51 rise during the day was a mounting recognition that Opec could tighten the flow of oil into the global market when oil ministers meet on March 5.</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>Algeria&#8217;s oil minister Chakib Khelil, who chairs Opec, told Reuters: &#8220;Production is not going to increase. It will either decrease or be stable.&#8221;
</p></blockquote>
<p>So a broken pump can cause the odd ripple, but it takes a statement by the chairman of OPEC to really put the frighteners into the market.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re not building more refinery capacity because there is no likelihood of any increase in production.  OPEC will not increase production because it cant - the easy oil is running out.  </p>
<p>Venezuela has not increased production over the last five years or so because its easy oil is cut as well, and its nerves about Enron et al are more about grabbing a bigger share of a diminishing resource than about socialism vs capitalism.  That&#8217;s why Chavez is very anxious about possible military interference from USA because he is walking the fine line between clinging to his country&#8217;s major source of income vs posing a strategic threat to a power that has already anexed by military conquest much of OPEC&#8217;s production in Arabia.  </p>
<p>Its not a pretty picture is it?!?!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: insider</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/02/20/another-100-per-barrel-flirtation/#comment-38154</link>
		<dc:creator>insider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 02:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/02/20/another-100-per-barrel-flirtation/#comment-38154</guid>
		<description>Refining issues shouldn't affect crude oil prices unless they are driven by rising or falling demand. 

It's ironic and slightly forgetful that frog says "this could indeed be the plateau that has long been forecast by the Peak Oil community" when in fact this is the view of organisations like CERA and IEA who they usually refer to plateaus. Peakies usually refer to a rapid fall from a peak as you regularly see in Colin Campbell's work

http://www.aspo-ireland.org/contentFiles/newsletterPDFs/newsletter85_200801.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Refining issues shouldn&#8217;t affect crude oil prices unless they are driven by rising or falling demand. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s ironic and slightly forgetful that frog says &#8220;this could indeed be the plateau that has long been forecast by the Peak Oil community&#8221; when in fact this is the view of organisations like CERA and IEA who they usually refer to plateaus. Peakies usually refer to a rapid fall from a peak as you regularly see in Colin Campbell&#8217;s work</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aspo-ireland.org/contentFiles/newsletterPDFs/newsletter85_200801.pdf" >http://www.aspo-ireland.org/contentFiles/newsletterPDFs/newsletter85_2 00801.pdf</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: andrew</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/02/20/another-100-per-barrel-flirtation/#comment-38134</link>
		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/02/20/another-100-per-barrel-flirtation/#comment-38134</guid>
		<description>wouldn't those "one-time" refining issues be more like permanent refining issues?  or should we be investing in additional refining capacity for a dwindling resource?

for those who think the oil peak is good news for global warming, remember it isn't proposing a date after which all oil use will entirely cease!  it will decline gradually.  the problem of global warming is still with us - especially as some are saying action is urgently needed, if not already too late.
besides, incentivizing carbon emission reduction also helps incentivize the search for alternative energy.  a free-for-all approach merely puts off the necessary action</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wouldn&#8217;t those &#8220;one-time&#8221; refining issues be more like permanent refining issues?  or should we be investing in additional refining capacity for a dwindling resource?</p>
<p>for those who think the oil peak is good news for global warming, remember it isn&#8217;t proposing a date after which all oil use will entirely cease!  it will decline gradually.  the problem of global warming is still with us - especially as some are saying action is urgently needed, if not already too late.<br />
besides, incentivizing carbon emission reduction also helps incentivize the search for alternative energy.  a free-for-all approach merely puts off the necessary action</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Kevyn</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/02/20/another-100-per-barrel-flirtation/#comment-38109</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/02/20/another-100-per-barrel-flirtation/#comment-38109</guid>
		<description>For those unfamiliar with a bus exchange (as opposed to a bus station or terminus) here's an urban design breifing on the bus exchange from the Auckland regional council.
http://greensite.arc.govt.nz/arc/library/o78431_2.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those unfamiliar with a bus exchange (as opposed to a bus station or terminus) here&#8217;s an urban design breifing on the bus exchange from the Auckland regional council.<br />
<a href="http://greensite.arc.govt.nz/arc/library/o78431_2.pdf" >http://greensite.arc.govt.nz/arc/library/o78431_2.pdf</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Kevyn</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/02/20/another-100-per-barrel-flirtation/#comment-38108</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/02/20/another-100-per-barrel-flirtation/#comment-38108</guid>
		<description>The government's lack of commitment to preparing for peak oil is best illustrated by the Christchurch Bus Exchange.

In 1999 a private developer offered to incorporate a bus exchange into a central city retail development. The city council agreed to the proposal and Transfund promptly commited $5million to make it happen. In 2004 it became obvious that the bus exchange was reaching its traffic capacity years earlier than expected. The government promised to increase Canterbury's land transport funding by $50 million a year, so funding wouldn't be a problem. The government reneged on it's promise so here we are four years later with the bus exchange unable to cope with the public response to high petrol prices and second exchange not expected to be constructed before 2012. 
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/thepress/4407285a6530.html
This government can sure talk the talk but it aint walkin' the walk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The government&#8217;s lack of commitment to preparing for peak oil is best illustrated by the Christchurch Bus Exchange.</p>
<p>In 1999 a private developer offered to incorporate a bus exchange into a central city retail development. The city council agreed to the proposal and Transfund promptly commited $5million to make it happen. In 2004 it became obvious that the bus exchange was reaching its traffic capacity years earlier than expected. The government promised to increase Canterbury&#8217;s land transport funding by $50 million a year, so funding wouldn&#8217;t be a problem. The government reneged on it&#8217;s promise so here we are four years later with the bus exchange unable to cope with the public response to high petrol prices and second exchange not expected to be constructed before 2012.<br />
<a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/thepress/4407285a6530.html" >http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/thepress/4407285a6530.html</a><br />
This government can sure talk the talk but it aint walkin&#8217; the walk.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
