andrew Says:
hmm, i notice that despite this bold opening, greengeek went through his/her whole post without actually putting forward any alternative.

Unbelievable. I thought you guys were kidding when you were suggesting fish was the only alternative.

There is no need to go into detail as to the multitude of protein sources; any vegetarian website can suggest a host of different protein sources that will keep you alive and well. So will many non-vegetarian websites…there are lots of medical sites and healthy-eating websites that have lists of good ways to get your protein.

My point was that in the western world we have made a bad habit of believing we need huge quantities of protein, and that it needs to come from dairy.

It is just not true.

Our farming industry has continued to stretch the productivity of their soils to meet our unreasonable and unnecessary demand, and our soils are the poorer for it.

Perhaps one day the old wisdoms of allowing fallow fields some recovery time may come back into favour, and we will all have to eat 20% less cow.

We will probably be healthier as a result.

So soy it is then?!

now we have snap frozen vegies and tinned veges as well. So we can safely unaquire our taste for beef and dairy if we want to.

sure you can get enough protein from veggies just like sheep & cows, but unless you want to spend your whole day doing nothing but eating & defecating just like cows it isn’t really a viable solution for humans.
(the same (in the latter case) might be said for any attempt to get the bulk of your protein from nuts or legumes).

Are you guys serious about not knowing where to find protein, and believing we need the dairying industry to provide it

hmm, i notice that despite this bold opening, greengeek went through his/her whole post without actually putting forward any alternative.
maybe greengeek is referring to fish. i prefer to avoid fish given the nature of their death - hauled from their natural environment & left to suffocate. it’s unconscionably cruel.
would you rather be stunned by electricity then have your throat cut, or say suffocated with a piece of glad wrap over your face - or drowned?
anyway aren’t there major sustainability issues with fish?

phil(whoar.co.nz)

Philu I perhaps didn’t write correctly. You’re an example of a more-or-less constant critic who has the distinction of NOT coming from a ‘right wing’ angle. Go hard!

In the western world our health is worse than many other countries as a result of focussing on cow-protein rather than other sources. Not only because of the choice of predominantly cow-protein, but also because of the quantities we consume.

We eat so much cow, we have fat/protein rich poos.

Thats right…it goes straight down the loo. (Except what sticks to our arteries).

Check out the health stats for the USA and you will see a direct correlation between the amount of dairy protein consumed, and the rate of cardiovascular disase and early death. NZ is not as bad, but our stats echo that reality.

Why should we tolerate the destruction of our environment in pursuit of a misrepresented and overvalued product??

There are plenty of examples of non-western cultures with better health and greater longevity than westernern cow-eaters. For example, Japan has had the greatest longevity and lowest morbidity for a long time now. (No that is not due to eating whale meat!)

It is a painful reality but farmers in NZ need to review their methods, and show more respect for the environment that has sustained them for so long.

Time for NZ farmers to put something back.

“..not right-wing-only,.”

sheesh stephen r..that’s the first time i’ve been called a rightwinger..(heh-heh..!..)

(you obviously have never visited my website..and take any criticisms of the failings of the green party as proof of ‘rightwingery’..?

(heh-heh..!)

you’d better tell redbaiter i am ‘one of them’..

i don’t think he realises..

phil(whoar.co.nz)