Comments on: Vicki Buck makes Guardian’s top 50 list

By: BucolicOldSirHenry

BucolicOldSirHenry — Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:12:09 +0000

there lies the problem theyare exact in actual detail confirmed by todays science, no one except humans who were around at the time when there was no ice could have drawn it.

The map was drawn using spherical trig which was’nt thought to have been invented til the 1700’s, it was even used to correct modern mapping errors.

The map is, and does, none of the things you claim. It’s been debunked many times.

By: Amon

Amon — Thu, 10 Jan 2008 04:50:01 +0000

Um….What would our country be like if we say got rid of the reserve bank? Do we need it? is it just another mans device? Do we own our country? i wonder if the worlds paranoia is gonna hit here and we endup with a homeland security of our own?

Oh has anyone heard of the “Piri Reis Map”?

Amazing science! i can’t seem to fault it considering it was drawn by a turkish general in i think the 1500’s or was it the 1300’s. He drew it from older maps which was said to have been stored in the great library.

it clearly shows the south america’s and antartica’s coastlines but the coastlines of antartica’s landmass not it’s ice shores.

there lies the problem theyare exact in actual detail confirmed by todays science, no one except humans who were around at the time when there was no ice could have drawn it.

The map was drawn using spherical trig which was’nt thought to have been invented til the 1700’s, it was even used to correct modern mapping errors.

By: StephenR

StephenR — Thu, 10 Jan 2008 03:22:46 +0000

I agree. Somehow i suspect this message isn’t going to get out any time soon.

By: andrew

andrew — Thu, 10 Jan 2008 03:03:37 +0000

but stephen they’ll appreciate it all the less if they hit that cliff with a thud, to find nothing has been done about it. the correct price signalling that the speculation is bringing into the market will help prompt the action to smooth that slope & soften the landing. as you say, no mainstream competitors for oil - and it will remain so unless the price signals bring competitors into the market.

By: ekstatek

ekstatek — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 13:29:36 +0000

I Hope Government does not just stand well back, they should be funding projects such as this, or atleast telling its many funds/companies such as acc to invest in such companies instead of overseas tobacco companies.
A better option than some of the cultural junk the government wastes money on atm.
Fund them now so they can start building ponds and stop pumping the junk out to sea. I a sick/tired of being told I can not eat the local shell fish cause of some outbreak.

By: Kevyn

Kevyn — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 11:29:28 +0000

StephenR,

In the broader view there are some indirect mainstream competitors for oil. You have to look at what the oil is being used for rather than simply at how it is used. There is no direct substitute for petrol in a petrol engine but there are other modes of transport that can be used instead of travelling by car. Likewise mowing your lawns and trimming the edges can be done without mechanical assistance.

By: Kevyn

Kevyn — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 11:21:43 +0000

Trevor, Some of the better news outlets have noted that the $100 price is for oil for February delivery. I presume the speculators are “storing” the oil in the ground or in the delivery system and are keeping their fingers crossed that bad weather will increase heating consumption by the time the oil is delivered.

By: ZenTiger

ZenTiger — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 11:08:52 +0000

Stuey - so what’s wrong with a tax we keep and redirect into our economy? Why sign up to send money overseas in a massive trading scheme. Typically the Greens have shied away from the inequities of the share market and capitalism.

Actually, according to the Greens Eco-Tax policy, they wish to do both. Massive Kyoto tax payments (and where does the money come from??), plus a new regime of taxing the bads. Double whammy.

By: Trevor29

Trevor29 — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 08:01:06 +0000

If speculators are buying up oil now, it will be costing them money, so sooner or later they will have to sell it. They are hoping the price will go up further when shortages start to bite, by which time we will be glad they are selling it.

What I wonder is where is this oil that they are buying being stored? I suspect that at least part of the speculation is from the oil producers who are simply (and sensibly, from their perspective) holding back.

jh said:”Hopefully, Labour and the Government will just stand well back and let people like Vicki Buck innovate.”

Better still would be for the government to ask “what can we do to help” and actually act on the answer - not every wish item, but some of the more effective measures. But that isn’t like governments is it?

Trevor.

By: stuey

stuey — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:06:50 +0000

Zen: “It will not be Kyoto taxes and other stupid ideas that help our drive for environmental neutrality, it will be the entrepreneurs that look at problems and solve them.”

But if there are no eco-taxes then there will be no reason for entrepreneurs to innovate to save fossil fuels. They can continue innovating to maximise profit with no environmental considerations.

By placing a cost on carbon it means that entrepreneurs have a chance to out-perform their competitors by introducing innovations that save fossil fuels., otherwise there is no reason for them to do so, in fact the drivers are likely to be the reverse, it is more profitable to trash the planet than save it.