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	<title>Comments on: Ross Meurant&#8217;s comments on the raids</title>
	<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/10/19/ross-meurants-comments-on-the-raids/</link>
	<description>hopping along the corridors of power</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/10/19/ross-meurants-comments-on-the-raids/#comment-33309</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 06:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SPC: it sounds as if you believe that every human life has the same value. Of course this is not true.

If you are a believer in evolution you must accept that some human lives are more valuable than others because they are more evolutionarily advanced.

If you are a believer in creation you must accept that some human lives are more valuable than others because they are capable of behaving in a more appropriate way (however God defines 'more appropriate').

There are no other options.

The job of the police is in fact to be predjudiced against those who behave in a certain way. That is the whole purpose of having a peaceful society based on law. The law defines what is appropriate, and the police attack or restrain those who behave outside of the law.

The concept of living subject to law sounds oppressive to some, but in reality if we did away with law tomorrow our society would degenerate into countrywide conflict within a day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SPC: it sounds as if you believe that every human life has the same value. Of course this is not true.</p>
<p>If you are a believer in evolution you must accept that some human lives are more valuable than others because they are more evolutionarily advanced.</p>
<p>If you are a believer in creation you must accept that some human lives are more valuable than others because they are capable of behaving in a more appropriate way (however God defines &#8216;more appropriate&#8217;).</p>
<p>There are no other options.</p>
<p>The job of the police is in fact to be predjudiced against those who behave in a certain way. That is the whole purpose of having a peaceful society based on law. The law defines what is appropriate, and the police attack or restrain those who behave outside of the law.</p>
<p>The concept of living subject to law sounds oppressive to some, but in reality if we did away with law tomorrow our society would degenerate into countrywide conflict within a day.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/10/19/ross-meurants-comments-on-the-raids/#comment-33308</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 06:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/10/19/ross-meurants-comments-on-the-raids/#comment-33308</guid>
		<description>SPC: it sounds as if you believe that every human life has the same value. Of course this is not true.

If you are a believer in evolution you must accept that some human lives are more valuable than others because they are more evolutionarily advanced.

If you are a believer in creation you must accept that some human lives are more valuable than others because they are capable of behaving in a more appropriate way (however God defines 'more appropriate).

There are no other options.

The job of the police is to be predjudiced against those who behave in a certain way. That is the whole purpose of having a law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SPC: it sounds as if you believe that every human life has the same value. Of course this is not true.</p>
<p>If you are a believer in evolution you must accept that some human lives are more valuable than others because they are more evolutionarily advanced.</p>
<p>If you are a believer in creation you must accept that some human lives are more valuable than others because they are capable of behaving in a more appropriate way (however God defines &#8216;more appropriate).</p>
<p>There are no other options.</p>
<p>The job of the police is to be predjudiced against those who behave in a certain way. That is the whole purpose of having a law.</p>
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		<title>By: jh</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/10/19/ross-meurants-comments-on-the-raids/#comment-33307</link>
		<dc:creator>jh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 06:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/10/19/ross-meurants-comments-on-the-raids/#comment-33307</guid>
		<description>,i&#62;But Collins also said that the police had â€ślittle optionâ€? but to proceed with the charges, and that some of the evidence had come very close to meeting the standard. He said the police had brought an end to what were some â€śvery disturbing activitiesâ€? in the Ureweras, and praised the professionalism and integrity of the police.

â€śSome may try to interpret my decision as criticism of the police,â€? Collins went on. â€śNothing could be further from the truth.â€?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/blogs/politics/2007/11/09/terror-accused-should-thank-the-crown-not-condemn-it/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>,i&gt;But Collins also said that the police had â€ślittle optionâ€? but to proceed with the charges, and that some of the evidence had come very close to meeting the standard. He said the police had brought an end to what were some â€śvery disturbing activitiesâ€? in the Ureweras, and praised the professionalism and integrity of the police.</p>
<p>â€śSome may try to interpret my decision as criticism of the police,â€? Collins went on. â€śNothing could be further from the truth.â€?<br />
<a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/blogs/politics/2007/11/09/terror-accused-should-thank-the-crown-not-condemn-it/" >http://www.stuff.co.nz/blogs/politics/2007/11/09/terror-accused-should -thank-the-crown-not-condemn-it/</a></p>
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		<title>By: jh</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/10/19/ross-meurants-comments-on-the-raids/#comment-33305</link>
		<dc:creator>jh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 00:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/10/19/ross-meurants-comments-on-the-raids/#comment-33305</guid>
		<description>I imagine there be many in Green party think like that.... but is it constructive?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I imagine there be many in Green party think like that&#8230;. but is it constructive?</p>
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		<title>By: SPC</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/10/19/ross-meurants-comments-on-the-raids/#comment-33304</link>
		<dc:creator>SPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 00:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/10/19/ross-meurants-comments-on-the-raids/#comment-33304</guid>
		<description>"Institutional racism and other bigotry" is premised on the dispossessed protesting about it and because this makes work for the police (the security arm of the establishment and the propertied middle class), they become prejudiced in their dealings with those involved.  

And of course the supporters of the police tend to comment that some people not brought up the "right way" should not have the same civil liberties - anyone read the third article of the Treaty. 

So while banning fireworks sales to Maori, because they are not British has appeal ...,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Institutional racism and other bigotry&#8221; is premised on the dispossessed protesting about it and because this makes work for the police (the security arm of the establishment and the propertied middle class), they become prejudiced in their dealings with those involved.  </p>
<p>And of course the supporters of the police tend to comment that some people not brought up the &#8220;right way&#8221; should not have the same civil liberties - anyone read the third article of the Treaty. </p>
<p>So while banning fireworks sales to Maori, because they are not British has appeal &#8230;,</p>
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		<title>By: jh</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/10/19/ross-meurants-comments-on-the-raids/#comment-33163</link>
		<dc:creator>jh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 20:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/10/19/ross-meurants-comments-on-the-raids/#comment-33163</guid>
		<description>That sounds like Marxism (?), (the idea that minorities can't be racist). No one sees others as they really are, we approximate, and sometimes get it wrong, and that applies to everybody.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That sounds like Marxism (?), (the idea that minorities can&#8217;t be racist). No one sees others as they really are, we approximate, and sometimes get it wrong, and that applies to everybody.</p>
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		<title>By: greengeek</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/10/19/ross-meurants-comments-on-the-raids/#comment-33161</link>
		<dc:creator>greengeek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 19:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/10/19/ross-meurants-comments-on-the-raids/#comment-33161</guid>
		<description>Alistair... don't go as far as shooting yourself, but how can you agree with an editorial that states "Racism has nothing to do with skin colour, and everything to do with power."

Racism has everything to do with skin colour, and pretty much nothing else. That is why it is so pathetic that people cry racism at the drop of the hat.

Surely these people can look beneath their own skin colour (as Winston Peters did) and see that the community came under scrutiny because of the web of deceit woven within it by a likeminded group of malcontents who used the isolation of that community to hide their intentions.

The innocent within that community were subject to scrutiny as a result of their geographic proximity to shady characters whom the police did not want to allow to escape their grasp.

Not because of racism. 

Brown is brown, pink is pink, napalm is napalm, and a corgi is not a labrador. Spot the difference?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alistair&#8230; don&#8217;t go as far as shooting yourself, but how can you agree with an editorial that states &#8220;Racism has nothing to do with skin colour, and everything to do with power.&#8221;</p>
<p>Racism has everything to do with skin colour, and pretty much nothing else. That is why it is so pathetic that people cry racism at the drop of the hat.</p>
<p>Surely these people can look beneath their own skin colour (as Winston Peters did) and see that the community came under scrutiny because of the web of deceit woven within it by a likeminded group of malcontents who used the isolation of that community to hide their intentions.</p>
<p>The innocent within that community were subject to scrutiny as a result of their geographic proximity to shady characters whom the police did not want to allow to escape their grasp.</p>
<p>Not because of racism. </p>
<p>Brown is brown, pink is pink, napalm is napalm, and a corgi is not a labrador. Spot the difference?</p>
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		<title>By: alistair</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/10/19/ross-meurants-comments-on-the-raids/#comment-33148</link>
		<dc:creator>alistair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 10:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/10/19/ross-meurants-comments-on-the-raids/#comment-33148</guid>
		<description>I really must be getting old... I just read a Herald editorial I agreed with. Maybe I should just shoot myself.

It's about Winsome Peters' attempt to play the "race card", accusing Maori activists of supporting apartheid :

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=280&#38;objectid=10473857

"Apartheid was an oppressive policy of separate development inflicted on a dispossessed majority by a ruling minority. Those protesting against the police actions and their courtroom sequels are not seeking apartheid but evenhanded justice, openly dispensed. Nor may Maori activists or their supporters sensibly be called racists. Racism has nothing to do with skin colour, and everything to do with power. Anyone who argues that those arrested in Tuhoe and elsewhere last month are more powerful than the state authority unleashed on them is deluded. Or trying to win votes by any means necessary."

... or maybe the Herald has changed more than I have?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really must be getting old&#8230; I just read a Herald editorial I agreed with. Maybe I should just shoot myself.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s about Winsome Peters&#8217; attempt to play the &#8220;race card&#8221;, accusing Maori activists of supporting apartheid :</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=280&amp;objectid=10473857" >http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=280&amp;objectid=10473857</a> </p>
<p>&#8220;Apartheid was an oppressive policy of separate development inflicted on a dispossessed majority by a ruling minority. Those protesting against the police actions and their courtroom sequels are not seeking apartheid but evenhanded justice, openly dispensed. Nor may Maori activists or their supporters sensibly be called racists. Racism has nothing to do with skin colour, and everything to do with power. Anyone who argues that those arrested in Tuhoe and elsewhere last month are more powerful than the state authority unleashed on them is deluded. Or trying to win votes by any means necessary.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230; or maybe the Herald has changed more than I have?</p>
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		<title>By: jh</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/10/19/ross-meurants-comments-on-the-raids/#comment-33145</link>
		<dc:creator>jh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 07:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/10/19/ross-meurants-comments-on-the-raids/#comment-33145</guid>
		<description>I should add that that would rile civil libertarians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should add that that would rile civil libertarians.</p>
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		<title>By: jh</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/10/19/ross-meurants-comments-on-the-raids/#comment-33144</link>
		<dc:creator>jh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 07:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/10/19/ross-meurants-comments-on-the-raids/#comment-33144</guid>
		<description>I imagine quite a bit few DNA samples landed in  police mouths.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I imagine quite a bit few DNA samples landed in  police mouths.</p>
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