BB says that draconian taxes will prevent any benefit from more wind and marine power sources strengthening our economy. Given that most of our electricity generation is by various State-Owned Enterprises, why would the government apply draconian taxes to itself?

As BB has pointed out, we are a long way from our trading partners, so any reduction in imported fuels has an extra double benefit from savings in transporting both the imported fuels and the exports to pay for them.

Trevor.

“the greens do not have a policy to raise taxes, our polices are revenue neutral, so that rises in pollution taxes are offset by reductions in personal taxes.

toad says

“Mind you, might be lookling to change that!”

flippy floppy ??

Stuey’s version would see the massive surplusses returned to the masses while toads wants to raise taxes while maintaining the massive surplusses?

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

toad says,

“There’s no point in giving upper income people one. Ther are already doing rather well, and have the capacity to avoid tax through tax-loss making property investment anyway.”

Highr income earners structure their property investments as a loss making business from which they claim tax write off against their more profitable businesses The do not need a LAQC. Only the middle class wage and salary earners have LAQC’s to offset their losses against wages and salaries.

Would need a massive strutural change in tax law to get at the upper income people.

Get up to speed toad.

Give lower and middle income people a tax cut. There’s no point in giving upper income people one. Ther are already doing rather well, and have the capacity to avoid tax through tax-loss making property investment anyway.

Mind you, might be lookling to change that!

I simply do not believe that the Green party will not raise taxes, all the evidence suggests that they will, the background of most of the MP’s would suggest they will and the hard left socialist agenda of the party suggests they will.
When you have this much evidence it is difficult to believe that they Greens will not raise taxes, you should understand this better than most as this is the same logic the Greens use to push the Global warming con.

When I hear either of the co-leaders (BTW, why is one of your leaders doing all the talking lately while other remains silent?) come out and say that they will give middle and upper income people a tax cut to compensate for these new punitive and economy wrecking taxes I will believe it.

And not so much of the “old” if you don’t mind

Trevor.

as has been pointed out to you so many times it is not funny, the greens do not have a policy to raise taxes, our polices are revenue neutral, so that rises in pollution taxes are offset by reductions in personal taxes.

I can only assume that either you are totally and utterly forgetful, or you like to willfully misrepresent the Greens policy in print.

Sorry old chap but that is absolute rubbish, any benefits that MAY come from what you suggest will be totally wiped out by the punitive and draconian taxes Labour and the Greens are going to impose on us.

Our economy is export driven, we are further away from the world markets than anybody else and can LEAST afford these feel good taxes, never forget we produce 0.2 of the world emissions yet we are being conned into believing our efforts will make a difference.

They will make a difference all right, the economy will crumble the state will become all powerful as more and more kiwi’s depend on the govt for their income and the communists and socialists will finally have what they want.

The cost of importing energy will rise. Any steps that we take that reduce our dependence on importing energy will strengthen the economy.

Trevor.