Comments on: Europe’s biodiesel industry in crisis while Monbiot calls for a moratorium http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/03/28/europes-biodiesel-industry-in-crisis-while-monbiot-calls-for-a-moratorium/ hopping along the corridors of power Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:01:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Prim http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/03/28/europes-biodiesel-industry-in-crisis-while-monbiot-calls-for-a-moratorium/#comment-25982 Prim Fri, 06 Apr 2007 02:51:44 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/03/28/europes-biodiesel-industry-in-crisis-while-monbiot-calls-for-a-moratorium/#comment-25982 It would be great if sustainable thinking could simply be part of how the media presents their stories every day. Instead of ads and TV programs constantly pushing big cars and international travel .... In the meantime, environmentally-minded people can walk the talk, and also spread the word, e.g. send links to websites like http://www.idealbite.com/ to friends and family. It would be great if sustainable thinking could simply be part of how the media presents their stories every day. Instead of ads and TV programs constantly pushing big cars and international travel ….

In the meantime, environmentally-minded people can walk the talk, and also spread the word, e.g. send links to websites like http://www.idealbite.com/ to friends and family.

]]> By: eredwen http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/03/28/europes-biodiesel-industry-in-crisis-while-monbiot-calls-for-a-moratorium/#comment-25981 eredwen Fri, 06 Apr 2007 00:43:07 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/03/28/europes-biodiesel-industry-in-crisis-while-monbiot-calls-for-a-moratorium/#comment-25981 Before this thread disappears from the immediately obvious "top ten" first page threads ... I'd like to ask those who (like me) have "the future of life in Aotearoa/NZ" in their thoughts as they live their daily lives: How can/should we go about making sure that the many "busy" people who rely on "sound bite" information are made FULLY aware of the changes that will be required in all our lifestyles: ... that it will NOT be a matter of "life as usual" if we just convert our vehicles etc from petroleum products to biofuels (which will NOT be conveniently grown just for all of us by enterprising farmers.) ... and that "life as we have come to expect it" WILL require changes from everyone (as the problems created will not be solved by the seekers of a few "entrepreneurial opportunities".) ... and that serious and well thought out changes need to be underway NOW ... with ALL of us involved in this? "Brain stormers" are welcome to throw in the ideas that are in the back of their minds ... or their conscious thoughts at this time! Before this thread disappears from the immediately obvious “top ten” first page threads … I’d like to ask those who (like me) have “the future of life in Aotearoa/NZ” in their thoughts as they live their daily lives:

How can/should we go about making sure that the many “busy” people who rely on “sound bite” information are made FULLY aware of the changes that will be required in all our lifestyles:

… that it will NOT be a matter of “life as usual” if we just convert our vehicles etc from petroleum products to biofuels (which will NOT be conveniently grown just for all of us by enterprising farmers.)

… and that “life as we have come to expect it” WILL require changes from everyone (as the problems created will not be solved by the seekers of a few “entrepreneurial opportunities”.)

… and that serious and well thought out changes need to be underway NOW

… with ALL of us involved in this?

“Brain stormers” are welcome to throw in the ideas that are in the back of their minds … or their conscious thoughts at this time!

]]> By: eredwen http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/03/28/europes-biodiesel-industry-in-crisis-while-monbiot-calls-for-a-moratorium/#comment-25649 eredwen Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:04:42 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/03/28/europes-biodiesel-industry-in-crisis-while-monbiot-calls-for-a-moratorium/#comment-25649 Thanks for the links stuey ... More "Think Big for MY Pocket" solutions, that historically have created havoc for this Planet and its life forms. Factoring that propensity into the challenges we must face, makes the size of mess that Homo sapiens has created even more depressing! WHAT hope do we realistically have to make the future a co-operative exercise? .... and HOW best do we go about this? Thanks for the links stuey …

More “Think Big for MY Pocket” solutions, that historically have created havoc for this Planet and its life forms.

Factoring that propensity into the challenges we must face, makes the size of mess that Homo sapiens has created even more depressing!

WHAT hope do we realistically have to make the future a co-operative exercise? …. and HOW best do we go about this?

]]> By: stuey http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/03/28/europes-biodiesel-industry-in-crisis-while-monbiot-calls-for-a-moratorium/#comment-25648 stuey Thu, 29 Mar 2007 00:37:58 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/03/28/europes-biodiesel-industry-in-crisis-while-monbiot-calls-for-a-moratorium/#comment-25648 And climate change blog Celsias has a great round-up of links to evidence why biofuels are bad news: http://www.celsias.com/blog/2007/03/28/biofuels-its-getting-annoying-now/ And climate change blog Celsias has a great round-up of links to evidence why biofuels are bad news:
http://www.celsias.com/blog/2007/03/28/biofuels-its-getting-annoying-n ow/

]]> By: stuey http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/03/28/europes-biodiesel-industry-in-crisis-while-monbiot-calls-for-a-moratorium/#comment-25621 stuey Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:35:35 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/03/28/europes-biodiesel-industry-in-crisis-while-monbiot-calls-for-a-moratorium/#comment-25621 The Independent (UK) has a report on biofuels: The Big Green Fuel Lie George Bush says that ethanol will save the world. But there is evidence that biofuels may bring new problems for the planet http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/climate_change/article2328821.ece And New Scientist also covered this theme linking to various studies on biofuels that seem to say the jury is out, they could be good or bad, the devil is in the details etc etc http://environment.newscientist.com/article/dn11325-bush-to-back-bioethanol--but-benefits-are-in-the-balance.html The Independent (UK) has a report on biofuels:

The Big Green Fuel Lie
George Bush says that ethanol will save the world. But there is evidence that biofuels may bring new problems for the planet
http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/climate_change/article232882 1.ece

And New Scientist also covered this theme linking to various studies on biofuels that seem to say the jury is out, they could be good or bad, the devil is in the details etc etc

http://environment.newscientist.com/article/dn11325-bush-to-back-bioet hanol–but-benefits-are-in-the-balance.html

]]> By: alistair http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/03/28/europes-biodiesel-industry-in-crisis-while-monbiot-calls-for-a-moratorium/#comment-25614 alistair Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:55:43 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/03/28/europes-biodiesel-industry-in-crisis-while-monbiot-calls-for-a-moratorium/#comment-25614 This is a good thing. I (now, after several months of thought) believe that biofuels should be nipped in the bud, they are a loser. The enemy is the internal combustion engine. It wastes most of the energy painstakingly acquired from the sun by growing crops, and expensively processed into liquid fuel. The ICE has only been useful to us because the fuel was practically free (just had to be pumped out of the ground). Trying to run ICEs <b>sustainably</b> is pushing shit uphill with a sharp stick. This is a good thing. I (now, after several months of thought) believe that biofuels should be nipped in the bud, they are a loser.

The enemy is the internal combustion engine. It wastes most of the energy painstakingly acquired from the sun by growing crops, and expensively processed into liquid fuel.

The ICE has only been useful to us because the fuel was practically free (just had to be pumped out of the ground). Trying to run ICEs sustainably is pushing shit uphill with a sharp stick.

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