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	<title>Comments on: Next time you&#8217;re asked, exaggerate</title>
	<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/03/22/next-time-youre-asked-exaggerate/</link>
	<description>hopping along the corridors of power</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: eredwen</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/03/22/next-time-youre-asked-exaggerate/#comment-25523</link>
		<dc:creator>eredwen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 04:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/03/22/next-time-youre-asked-exaggerate/#comment-25523</guid>
		<description>toad,

Christchurch buses have electronic ticketing and most of us just swipe our "smart" Metrocards through as we board the bus.  Its all "state of the art" stuff.  

fastbike is right about the pesky one occupant cars however!  
Two major bus routes are currently getting dedicated bus lanes built, with more planned for other routes later ... The bike-lane system and dedicated cycle routes are being  improved and expanded all the time.

Overall, things are improving noticeably ... BUT  not enough car drivers are getting the message YET ! 

However, on the bright side: I live on a steep hill about thirty minutes (average, depending wind direction) ride across the flat from the City Centre ... 
In the mornings there is a noticeably increasing number of cars parked at the bottom of the hill with empty bike racks ... and (in addition to this)  in the evenings there are CONVOYS of (additional) cyclists ascending the hill in lowest gear(s) having ridden home from work. 

It gives one some hope for the future of Aotearoa/NZ !

Our entire family upgraded our bikes last year to faster and lighter models.  We could have seriously upgraded the car for the money it cost!  

(I LOVE my new, strong but light mountain bike!!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>toad,</p>
<p>Christchurch buses have electronic ticketing and most of us just swipe our &#8220;smart&#8221; Metrocards through as we board the bus.  Its all &#8220;state of the art&#8221; stuff.  </p>
<p>fastbike is right about the pesky one occupant cars however!<br />
Two major bus routes are currently getting dedicated bus lanes built, with more planned for other routes later &#8230; The bike-lane system and dedicated cycle routes are being  improved and expanded all the time.</p>
<p>Overall, things are improving noticeably &#8230; BUT  not enough car drivers are getting the message YET ! </p>
<p>However, on the bright side: I live on a steep hill about thirty minutes (average, depending wind direction) ride across the flat from the City Centre &#8230;<br />
In the mornings there is a noticeably increasing number of cars parked at the bottom of the hill with empty bike racks &#8230; and (in addition to this)  in the evenings there are CONVOYS of (additional) cyclists ascending the hill in lowest gear(s) having ridden home from work. </p>
<p>It gives one some hope for the future of Aotearoa/NZ !</p>
<p>Our entire family upgraded our bikes last year to faster and lighter models.  We could have seriously upgraded the car for the money it cost!  </p>
<p>(I LOVE my new, strong but light mountain bike!!)</p>
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		<title>By: bjchip</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/03/22/next-time-youre-asked-exaggerate/#comment-25522</link>
		<dc:creator>bjchip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 04:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/03/22/next-time-youre-asked-exaggerate/#comment-25522</guid>
		<description>Blue -  Buses that run empty are every bit as inefficient as trams that run empty... respectfully BJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blue -  Buses that run empty are every bit as inefficient as trams that run empty&#8230; respectfully BJ</p>
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		<title>By: toad</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/03/22/next-time-youre-asked-exaggerate/#comment-25521</link>
		<dc:creator>toad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 03:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/03/22/next-time-youre-asked-exaggerate/#comment-25521</guid>
		<description>Blue said: &lt;i&gt;Buses have more flexibility&lt;/i&gt;

Not if they are stuck behind cars and take 40m to travel 1.5km, as I experienced in Auckland last week.

Trams and trains, having a dedicated line, have less delays and are therefore more reliable and puntual.  They are also quicker because the ticketing is done while thay are in motion, rather than holding up people boarding.

Unless the signalling hasn't received any maintenance in 30 years of course, as I have recently discovered on the Auckland Western Line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blue said: <i>Buses have more flexibility</i></p>
<p>Not if they are stuck behind cars and take 40m to travel 1.5km, as I experienced in Auckland last week.</p>
<p>Trams and trains, having a dedicated line, have less delays and are therefore more reliable and puntual.  They are also quicker because the ticketing is done while thay are in motion, rather than holding up people boarding.</p>
<p>Unless the signalling hasn&#8217;t received any maintenance in 30 years of course, as I have recently discovered on the Auckland Western Line.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/03/22/next-time-youre-asked-exaggerate/#comment-25519</link>
		<dc:creator>Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 03:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/03/22/next-time-youre-asked-exaggerate/#comment-25519</guid>
		<description>Tomsk, only if the trams are  full all the time. Which they are not. Buses have more flexibility</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tomsk, only if the trams are  full all the time. Which they are not. Buses have more flexibility</p>
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		<title>By: bjchip</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/03/22/next-time-youre-asked-exaggerate/#comment-25508</link>
		<dc:creator>bjchip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 23:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/03/22/next-time-youre-asked-exaggerate/#comment-25508</guid>
		<description>Rebates for the cycling commuters?!  This is an idea I like.  respectfully BJ 

Need to do something about the ones who also go through on the train though, maybe separate carriages for the smelly but fit commuters. :-b
BJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rebates for the cycling commuters?!  This is an idea I like.  respectfully BJ </p>
<p>Need to do something about the ones who also go through on the train though, maybe separate carriages for the smelly but fit commuters. :-b<br />
BJ</p>
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		<title>By: fastbike</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/03/22/next-time-youre-asked-exaggerate/#comment-25505</link>
		<dc:creator>fastbike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 23:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/03/22/next-time-youre-asked-exaggerate/#comment-25505</guid>
		<description>Anyway back to the main debate here ...

Saturday morning I had breakfast with friends in New Brighton and caught the bus back home.  The well patronised bus got snarled up in traffic - traffic that consisted of single occupant cars driving to the mall for shopping.

Where is my compensation for having my journey delayed and my valuable time wasted ?  LTNS and Transit don't take that into account.
(Of course if I hadn't been lazy and had actually biked it wouldn't have been a problem as bikes don't hold up traffic and can slip through any jams caused by selfish single occupant drivers.  Maybe all cyclists should be given tax rebates for each journey as the infrastructure savings are enormous and the room for the car they would otherwise be using is now available for another vehicle.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyway back to the main debate here &#8230;</p>
<p>Saturday morning I had breakfast with friends in New Brighton and caught the bus back home.  The well patronised bus got snarled up in traffic - traffic that consisted of single occupant cars driving to the mall for shopping.</p>
<p>Where is my compensation for having my journey delayed and my valuable time wasted ?  LTNS and Transit don&#8217;t take that into account.<br />
(Of course if I hadn&#8217;t been lazy and had actually biked it wouldn&#8217;t have been a problem as bikes don&#8217;t hold up traffic and can slip through any jams caused by selfish single occupant drivers.  Maybe all cyclists should be given tax rebates for each journey as the infrastructure savings are enormous and the room for the car they would otherwise be using is now available for another vehicle.)</p>
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		<title>By: fastbike</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/03/22/next-time-youre-asked-exaggerate/#comment-25504</link>
		<dc:creator>fastbike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 23:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/03/22/next-time-youre-asked-exaggerate/#comment-25504</guid>
		<description>Hi Gerrit

Very little time is being spent on s59 - mainly Labour's time actually.
And in any case, legislation to reduce violence is very much our arena.  Take a look at our 4 principles 
http://www.greens.org.nz/about/charter.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gerrit</p>
<p>Very little time is being spent on s59 - mainly Labour&#8217;s time actually.<br />
And in any case, legislation to reduce violence is very much our arena.  Take a look at our 4 principles<br />
<a href="http://www.greens.org.nz/about/charter.htm" >http://www.greens.org.nz/about/charter.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gerrit</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/03/22/next-time-youre-asked-exaggerate/#comment-25456</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerrit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 05:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/03/22/next-time-youre-asked-exaggerate/#comment-25456</guid>
		<description>So will the Greens, instead of expanding much more energy on the repeal of s59 bill, instead focus on Public Transport in Auckland?

More votes in the public transport initiatives we all have outlined as being required then the s59 repeal bill.

And much more in line with Green Environmental policies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So will the Greens, instead of expanding much more energy on the repeal of s59 bill, instead focus on Public Transport in Auckland?</p>
<p>More votes in the public transport initiatives we all have outlined as being required then the s59 repeal bill.</p>
<p>And much more in line with Green Environmental policies.</p>
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		<title>By: bjchip</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/03/22/next-time-youre-asked-exaggerate/#comment-25455</link>
		<dc:creator>bjchip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 05:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/03/22/next-time-youre-asked-exaggerate/#comment-25455</guid>
		<description>Anyone who simply says x is cheaper than y without giving an account of the time span of the comparison and the methodology used, is wasting time here...  It is vastly cheaper for us to quit doing any maintenance of any sort on everything, but any analysis of the results over more than a couple of business quarters shows that it will cost a lot MORE money.  

Even businessmen know that (well some of them do).  

You really have to define your terms of reference better.

respectfully 
BJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who simply says x is cheaper than y without giving an account of the time span of the comparison and the methodology used, is wasting time here&#8230;  It is vastly cheaper for us to quit doing any maintenance of any sort on everything, but any analysis of the results over more than a couple of business quarters shows that it will cost a lot MORE money.  </p>
<p>Even businessmen know that (well some of them do).  </p>
<p>You really have to define your terms of reference better.</p>
<p>respectfully<br />
BJ</p>
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		<title>By: Tomsk</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/03/22/next-time-youre-asked-exaggerate/#comment-25450</link>
		<dc:creator>Tomsk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 04:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/03/22/next-time-youre-asked-exaggerate/#comment-25450</guid>
		<description>But trams can carry more people through the same corridor, last longer, and can take advantage of existing rail infrastructure as well as on-road running. And trams (or Light Rail, or whatever you want to call them) have the advantage of running on fixed lines, thus giving investors the confidence to develop housing and/or workplaces close to transit nodes: bus routes don't drive transit-oriented development to anywhere near the same degree. Buses may be cheaper in the short term, but cost more to run in the long term, not just by reducing reliance on fuels with volatile prices, but through labour savings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But trams can carry more people through the same corridor, last longer, and can take advantage of existing rail infrastructure as well as on-road running. And trams (or Light Rail, or whatever you want to call them) have the advantage of running on fixed lines, thus giving investors the confidence to develop housing and/or workplaces close to transit nodes: bus routes don&#8217;t drive transit-oriented development to anywhere near the same degree. Buses may be cheaper in the short term, but cost more to run in the long term, not just by reducing reliance on fuels with volatile prices, but through labour savings.</p>
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