Comments on: EU 20% by 2020. New Zealand? http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/02/21/eu-20-by-2020-new-zealand/ hopping along the corridors of power Thu, 08 Jan 2009 19:06:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: eredwen http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/02/21/eu-20-by-2020-new-zealand/#comment-23923 eredwen Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:41:22 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/02/21/eu-20-by-2020-new-zealand/#comment-23923 Nice one Baz! Nice one Baz!

]]> By: alistair http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/02/21/eu-20-by-2020-new-zealand/#comment-23919 alistair Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:12:07 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/02/21/eu-20-by-2020-new-zealand/#comment-23919 <i>Is this an equitable outcome?</i> Obviously not. If you're interested in equity, then you could ration air travel, but that would be at a cost of economic efficiency. There are no easy answers, Ukk. (There are lots of facile questions though!) The BBC game Russel linked a while back http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/hottopics/climatechange/climate_challenge/index_1.shtml gives some interesting insights into the trade-offs. A lot of them do indeed impact economic growth, with respect to hypothetically cheaper options of "just burn more fossil fuels". But lots of them pay off in the medium to long term, in terms of sustainability, balance of trade, local job creation... Is this an equitable outcome?

Obviously not. If you’re interested in equity, then you could ration air travel, but that would be at a cost of economic efficiency.

There are no easy answers, Ukk. (There are lots of facile questions though!)

The BBC game Russel linked a while back
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/hottopics/climatechange/climate_challenge/inde x_1.shtml
gives some interesting insights into the trade-offs. A lot of them do indeed impact economic growth, with respect to hypothetically cheaper options of “just burn more fossil fuels”. But lots of them pay off in the medium to long term, in terms of sustainability, balance of trade, local job creation…

]]> By: Baz http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/02/21/eu-20-by-2020-new-zealand/#comment-23917 Baz Thu, 22 Feb 2007 08:44:57 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/02/21/eu-20-by-2020-new-zealand/#comment-23917 <i>there is a strong correlation between carbon and standard of living</i> There's a stronger correlation between the decline in the number of pirates since the 1800s and global warming. But maybe correlation isn't quite the same as causation. If it was, we could rip out our insulation and replace our compact flouro bulbs with incandescents as a means of getting richer. And we'd easily deal with global warming using a parrot-and-dubloon trading system. there is a strong correlation between carbon and standard of living

There’s a stronger correlation between the decline in the number of pirates since the 1800s and global warming.

But maybe correlation isn’t quite the same as causation. If it was, we could rip out our insulation and replace our compact flouro bulbs with incandescents as a means of getting richer. And we’d easily deal with global warming using a parrot-and-dubloon trading system.

]]> By: uk_kiwi http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/02/21/eu-20-by-2020-new-zealand/#comment-23914 uk_kiwi Thu, 22 Feb 2007 07:55:33 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/02/21/eu-20-by-2020-new-zealand/#comment-23914 It will be very interesting to see what exactly the EU is planning to do to; there is a strong correlation between carbon and standard of living, not to mention economic growth. As for taxing the fuel used in international travel- the effect of any tax will be to put travel out of the reach of the poor, both domestically and internationally. Is this an equitable outcome? It will be very interesting to see what exactly the EU is planning to do to; there is a strong correlation between carbon and standard of living, not to mention economic growth.

As for taxing the fuel used in international travel- the effect of any tax will be to put travel out of the reach of the poor, both domestically and internationally. Is this an equitable outcome?

]]> By: bjchip http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/02/21/eu-20-by-2020-new-zealand/#comment-23892 bjchip Thu, 22 Feb 2007 00:46:49 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2007/02/21/eu-20-by-2020-new-zealand/#comment-23892 New Zealand will be in the invidious position of having abandoned its "clean green" image and having visibly failed to even attempt to manage its emissions. For no gain at all. That's where it will be. With any competence at all on the part of the opposition it will have a National led government as well. Since I arrived the arrant stupidity, and abysmal performance of government here has been a big disappointment. Yes, better than the US Congress, but not by anywhere near as much as it could be. respectfully BJ New Zealand will be in the invidious position of having abandoned its “clean green” image and having visibly failed to even attempt to manage its emissions. For no gain at all. That’s where it will be. With any competence at all on the part of the opposition it will have a National led government as well.

Since I arrived the arrant stupidity, and abysmal performance of government here has been a big disappointment. Yes, better than the US Congress, but not by anywhere near as much as it could be.

respectfully
BJ

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