And I actually proposed a solution on this thread as well, that worked for me. You will have to go back now a bit to find it.

BB not sure where you are coming from in that post, i most certainly did not try to prove i am smarter/ more educated than you, in fact its probably the other way around!!

All i was trying to say is that the more you accuse me of spouting corrupt facts and false genreralisations and anecdotes, the more i am going to do it to you; you are leaving no room to present any kind of evidence for a debate other than the evidence you quote, this is simply not good form as anyone can do that to anyone else, the world revolves on trust/faith and if you destroy the trustworthiness of others evidence then they will destroy the trustworthiness of yours and the debate goes nowhere.
(if you can prove others are lying do it, but saying statistics are false because our governmnet is corrupt? thats going a bit beyond the believable and into the aggressive my friend)

As toad said, there are plenty of others who have presented alternative ways to ‘work for dole’.

E.g:

The traditional training schemes and seminars that teach people how to get jobs. (The current system)

Zanavashi said:
I do have some ideas about targetting long-term dole collectors because I think it would be much easier to target them - especially since we have the statistics that Bookworm refers to. And I think my first path of action would be to investigate all those people who have been on the dole for ten years. And then start working our way back: 9yr, 8yrs, 7yrs, etc etc etc

Thats seems like a great idea. GO Zanavashi give us some more gems like that one =D

BB you also suggested a good alternative, a timed dole, hoever your one was maybe a bit harsh, as they currently receive at best $170 per week after tax. Maybe they could get it for upwards 6 months and then decrease, as this would help seasonal workers best and also, people in rural areas may find it hard to find jobs, especially since there isn’t an exact abundance of shops sitting empty out there.

All great alternatives for work for dole, which if you read my earliest posts prove that the current system is working, so if it aint broke don’t fix it, and also prove that Work for dole doesn’t work.

Bookworm =D

IF your real motive in being here is to insult, stir, and generally make your presence felt in a negative way, you ARE doing pretty well at that!

Hoever, when you go into “attack mode” (common on some blogs) you lose all credibility here. Maybe it serves to “gets things off your chest” but it also serves to get your posts increasingly ignored by one contributor after another … and eventually NOBODY will be reading them.

HOWEVER, sometimes your posts show signs of well thought out and well presented arguments … (Keep THAT way of writing going, and develop it!)

e

To gain wisdom - throw something out every day (one has to let go continuously of information and beliefs that no longer serve one.) A bit like each breath - breathing in to take in life and breathing out to let it go!

Wisdom or knowledge - heart or head? Moment to moment decisions - up to you to decide.

I reply:

All this “uneducated” stuff “rises to the top” of your thinking again!
It IS NOT how much formal education a person has, it is what (s)he does with it afterwards.

You know how to read and write, and how to use a computer.
ALL the education you need is therefore right there at your fingertips, in a “user friendly” form that has never been seen before in the history of human learning.

For back-up we have Public Libraries with skilled “user friendly” librarians who will WILLINGLY help you to find any information you want. (They love to be asked!)

Bookworm said that (s)he is 16 years old. NOT YET highly educated I’d say! Give him/her a break!

PLEASE TAKE THAT GREAT BIG CHIP OFF YOUR SHOULDER!
It is affecting your ability to see clearly (and it is totally uncalled for here!)

eredwen

Well, I did propose a solution earlier, but you chose not to listen, BB. All the research into this I have read shows that temporary works schemes where long-term unemployed are employed at or above the minimum wage for a fixed term with a Government subsidy is the most successful scheme for moving them into unsubsidised employment.

BTW, good on the Nats for signalling the demise of their market rents policy for state housing. Another victory common sense over hard-right ideology. Just a pity they don’t yet get it on work-for-dole.

Now I have stopped laughing I will reply, firstly (and as an aside) you really do not have to prove that you are better educated than I am, I imagine it is fairly obvious, most of my posts are full of typos and spelling mistakes, I am sure you and your fellow greens find this hilarious but then as I said I am not an educated person.

Quite why you feel the need to remind me is confusing, mind you I have often found that those who complete a BA often leave university with an arrogant attitude toward those of us who decide that we were better off making a positive contribution to the economy and our society, hey, but if it makes you feel superior then knock yourself out.

Anyway, back to the issue, if you truly believe that I and I alone ” attack anyone who speaks against you, quote random anecdotes and spout generalisations” then I suggest you look a little closer at a lot of the other contributors.

I did not come to this site to attack the Green party, in case you missed it in an earlier post I stated that I once voted Green, the only fights or arguments I have entered into have been when I have been personally attacked by some of the more excitable members who seek to deny me an opinion on issues I care about.
You second to last paragraph demonstrates this perfectly, you ask me to agree with you or shut up, now I might have expected that from Eredwen but I did not expect it from you.

As for the work for the dole issue, all I have heard from you (and others) is that it does not work, in typical socialist fashion you propose no changes at all other than throwing more money at these people.
Well in case you have not noticed this does not work either, we have inter generational welfare dependency in NZ at a time when we have companies screaming out for staff yet many here prefer to stick their heads in the sand and pretend it is not happening.

My supporting evidence is from personal experience, I place far greater importance and credibility on personal experience than I do on figures from this throughly corrupt government (the same govt that the Greens shamelessly support)