Because when I say the Greens are right-wing, it just sounds silly

Good one… I like it… but what if we’re really neither? I ask because for most Greens this is true. I pointed out above too, that there is actually a reason for the leftwards tilt.

If the majority are on the left, people who are on the right will feel uncomfortable with the situation. I am going to be very interested to see how National reconciles limits to growth, which are a necessary logical extension of a closed-environmen, with National’s pro-business and pro-growth opinions. I am curious how you might reconcile the two. The “growth is good” issue appears because of the way Capitalism is practiced, not because of any fundamental flaw in it when it is done properly. However, we have Fiat currencies, rampant inflation of the worlds reserve currency and resulting problems for people and the future all over the planet. The way it is practiced, growth is not even optional… it is required… as is the inflation.

The problem is that this CANNOT work indefinitely.

So it is not unusual for Greens to appear to be aligned with anti-business forces but for strictly ecological reasons. For most conservatives this makes Green a bad colour choice.

The self-selection for certain liberal positions drives conservatives elsewhere and further distills things.

respectfully
BJ

Unless you and Peter are actually the same person? I’m confused now.

But, if you wish to prove that the right and the environment aren’t mutually exclusive, you should found (or even find) a political party to prove it, instead of pestering the Greens for being predominantly centre-left.

I didn’t say the Greens are against private land ownership.

The point I wanted to make was this: the right and the environment aren’t mutually exclusive, as had been suggested.

Please do not attribute statements such as that to me.

I have NEVER said that the Greens are against private land ownership, I know it is easy to label all those who differ from you with the same tag but in this case you are dead wrong.

All that does it show a weakness in your argument and an unwillingness to debate the issues.

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The implication is clear : according to Peter, the Greens are against private land ownership. You should keep better track of your strawmen Pete, that one took on a life of its own.

In any case, it’s very clear where you are coming from (”you” the gang of three, alleged environmentalists of the right) : the Greens are a “far left” party, just like Blair’s Labour! I think we can drop this thread now guys…

Where did I say confiscating land was Green policy?

Well OK..perhaps I was a little economical with the facts in that post (lets call it a SueB) but the point is still the same.

The left will use any means to remain in power, it does not matter how to them as they have a amazing ability to rationalize even the worst crime as “what was needed”

I am sure that even you will admit that the UK Labour party have not done bad by following right wing policies.

Interestingly enough it seems that Tony Blair has fallen into the same trap as our corrupt Labour govt, while our lot STEAL money from the tax payer to win elections it seems that Tony has been promising honors for cash.

It is a common thing about hard left political parties in as much as after a while they consider that ANY means justify the outcome, this of course is the natural evolution of any socialist regime as evidenced by Chris Trotters piece late last year in the Sunday papers.

Peter, you seem to know Green policy better than I do. Where does it say we are in favour of confiscating private land?

This “far left” thing is your own strawman. The Greens are not a right-wing party, I’ll grant you that. Maybe it’s just that anything to the left of ACT is “far left” to you?

As for David Cameron, and the greening of the Tories : the poor buggers have been out of power for about a century; Tony Blair, a centre-right politician, has stolen their base; they will try frankly anything to get their bums back on the comfy ministerial chairs.