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	<title>Comments on: Greens in trouble with the establishment again</title>
	<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/12/04/greens-in-trouble-with-the-establishment-again/</link>
	<description>hopping along the corridors of power</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: big bruv</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/12/04/greens-in-trouble-with-the-establishment-again/#comment-20285</link>
		<dc:creator>big bruv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 06:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/12/04/greens-in-trouble-with-the-establishment-again/#comment-20285</guid>
		<description>Prim

Bloody Hell!!!!....I agree with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prim</p>
<p>Bloody Hell!!!!&#8230;.I agree with you.</p>
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		<title>By: Prim</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/12/04/greens-in-trouble-with-the-establishment-again/#comment-20275</link>
		<dc:creator>Prim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 02:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/12/04/greens-in-trouble-with-the-establishment-again/#comment-20275</guid>
		<description>I have seen both women and men behaving in ways that I thought inappropriate.  It's a shame.  

Places get a culture that can get entrenched, and that drives out some really good people who don't fit into that culture.  It would be nice to see a healthier culture in Parliament and elsewhere.  By this I mean a culture that I think is healthier - where people don't always agree, but treat each other with honesty and respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have seen both women and men behaving in ways that I thought inappropriate.  It&#8217;s a shame.  </p>
<p>Places get a culture that can get entrenched, and that drives out some really good people who don&#8217;t fit into that culture.  It would be nice to see a healthier culture in Parliament and elsewhere.  By this I mean a culture that I think is healthier - where people don&#8217;t always agree, but treat each other with honesty and respect.</p>
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		<title>By: big bruv</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/12/04/greens-in-trouble-with-the-establishment-again/#comment-20269</link>
		<dc:creator>big bruv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 01:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/12/04/greens-in-trouble-with-the-establishment-again/#comment-20269</guid>
		<description>Phil

You forgot Dyson, Klarke, King and Wilson...at least try and be fair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil</p>
<p>You forgot Dyson, Klarke, King and Wilson&#8230;at least try and be fair.</p>
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		<title>By: phil u</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/12/04/greens-in-trouble-with-the-establishment-again/#comment-20267</link>
		<dc:creator>phil u</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 01:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/12/04/greens-in-trouble-with-the-establishment-again/#comment-20267</guid>
		<description>just a spirited defence of 'blokes' here eredwen..

eredwen..you obviously haven't seen judith collins in full 'nasty' mode..

that act person/former mp..(newman?).cor..!..she was a right purler..wasn't she..?

.jenny shipley..?...'strewth' richardson..?

to my mind the gutting of the social welfare system by those two was light years more offensive than any male 'pissing contests'....

and it is also a woman who has compunded those offenses...by not 'putting them right' when it has been within her power to do so..

and of course it was her who trumpeted 'working for families'.....eh..?

that most recent kick in the guts to benificiaries..

and you've obviously not met some of the 'women'/sisters who work at work and income...

some of them'd be as nasty as you can get....

nastiness compounds quite tidily with abuse of limited powers..

and is not necessarily gender-specific...eredwen..(tsk tsk..you old sexist you..!..)

eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)

and you'll notice i haven't i haven't even gone near the green 'ladies' of our mutual acquaintance..eh..?

no nasty backstabbing stuff going on there..eh..?

esp. during the leadership contest..eh..?whoar..!...

(there's a right potboiler of a story just there..eh..?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just a spirited defence of &#8216;blokes&#8217; here eredwen..</p>
<p>eredwen..you obviously haven&#8217;t seen judith collins in full &#8216;nasty&#8217; mode..</p>
<p>that act person/former mp..(newman?).cor..!..she was a right purler..wasn&#8217;t she..?</p>
<p>.jenny shipley..?&#8230;&#8217;strewth&#8217; richardson..?</p>
<p>to my mind the gutting of the social welfare system by those two was light years more offensive than any male &#8216;pissing contests&#8217;&#8230;.</p>
<p>and it is also a woman who has compunded those offenses&#8230;by not &#8216;putting them right&#8217; when it has been within her power to do so..</p>
<p>and of course it was her who trumpeted &#8216;working for families&#8217;&#8230;..eh..?</p>
<p>that most recent kick in the guts to benificiaries..</p>
<p>and you&#8217;ve obviously not met some of the &#8216;women&#8217;/sisters who work at work and income&#8230;</p>
<p>some of them&#8217;d be as nasty as you can get&#8230;.</p>
<p>nastiness compounds quite tidily with abuse of limited powers..</p>
<p>and is not necessarily gender-specific&#8230;eredwen..(tsk tsk..you old sexist you..!..)</p>
<p>eh..?</p>
<p>phil(whoar.co.nz)</p>
<p>and you&#8217;ll notice i haven&#8217;t i haven&#8217;t even gone near the green &#8216;ladies&#8217; of our mutual acquaintance..eh..?</p>
<p>no nasty backstabbing stuff going on there..eh..?</p>
<p>esp. during the leadership contest..eh..?whoar..!&#8230;</p>
<p>(there&#8217;s a right potboiler of a story just there..eh..?)</p>
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		<title>By: big bruv</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/12/04/greens-in-trouble-with-the-establishment-again/#comment-20257</link>
		<dc:creator>big bruv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 18:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/12/04/greens-in-trouble-with-the-establishment-again/#comment-20257</guid>
		<description>eredwen Says: 

December 8th, 2006 at 12:07 am 
Prim:

Well said!
Almost invariably the badly behaviour is from male MPs. 

For these puerile performers, â€śpissing contestsâ€?, â€śput downsâ€? and other publicity seeking behaviour doesnâ€™t stop at primary school.

Very tedious! â€¦and to mimick our rightwing contributors here â€¦
â€śI OBJECT to my hard earned tax money going to pay their unearned salaries.â€? 

Eredwen

I would have thought that you might have moved on from the school yard, these "girls are better than boys" arguments are tedious and immature, sadly it seems that the sisterhood is alive and well in the Greens.

I suppose you take no notice of the "put downs" and other "publicity seeking behaviour" so common in the wimin of the left.

I am constantly amazed that you have such little time for those who disagree with you, I am seeing a new side of Green politics here, it is a side that I do not like very much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eredwen Says: </p>
<p>December 8th, 2006 at 12:07 am<br />
Prim:</p>
<p>Well said!<br />
Almost invariably the badly behaviour is from male MPs. </p>
<p>For these puerile performers, â€śpissing contestsâ€?, â€śput downsâ€? and other publicity seeking behaviour doesnâ€™t stop at primary school.</p>
<p>Very tedious! â€¦and to mimick our rightwing contributors here â€¦<br />
â€śI OBJECT to my hard earned tax money going to pay their unearned salaries.â€? </p>
<p>Eredwen</p>
<p>I would have thought that you might have moved on from the school yard, these &#8220;girls are better than boys&#8221; arguments are tedious and immature, sadly it seems that the sisterhood is alive and well in the Greens.</p>
<p>I suppose you take no notice of the &#8220;put downs&#8221; and other &#8220;publicity seeking behaviour&#8221; so common in the wimin of the left.</p>
<p>I am constantly amazed that you have such little time for those who disagree with you, I am seeing a new side of Green politics here, it is a side that I do not like very much.</p>
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		<title>By: Pie and Coffee &#187; Green hugs!</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/12/04/greens-in-trouble-with-the-establishment-again/#comment-20255</link>
		<dc:creator>Pie and Coffee &#187; Green hugs!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 15:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/12/04/greens-in-trouble-with-the-establishment-again/#comment-20255</guid>
		<description>[...] Frogblog, a political blog from the Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand: [Australian] Greens leader Bob Brown has received a stern letter from the Senate&#8217;s president Paul Calvert, after he hugged New Zealand Greens MP Metiria Turei on the floor of the chamber during question time on Tuesday. [&#8230;] Senator Brown on Thursday received a letter from Senator Calvert, warning him that his actions were &#8216;disorderly&#8217;. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Frogblog, a political blog from the Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand: [Australian] Greens leader Bob Brown has received a stern letter from the Senate&#8217;s president Paul Calvert, after he hugged New Zealand Greens MP Metiria Turei on the floor of the chamber during question time on Tuesday. [&#8230;] Senator Brown on Thursday received a letter from Senator Calvert, warning him that his actions were &#8216;disorderly&#8217;. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: eredwen</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/12/04/greens-in-trouble-with-the-establishment-again/#comment-20254</link>
		<dc:creator>eredwen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 11:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/12/04/greens-in-trouble-with-the-establishment-again/#comment-20254</guid>
		<description>Prim:

Well said!  
Almost invariably the badly behaviour is from male MPs.  

For these puerile performers, "pissing contests", "put downs" and other publicity seeking behaviour doesn't stop at primary school.

Very tedious! ...and to mimick our rightwing contributors here ... 
"I OBJECT to my hard earned tax money going to pay their unearned salaries."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prim:</p>
<p>Well said!<br />
Almost invariably the badly behaviour is from male MPs.  </p>
<p>For these puerile performers, &#8220;pissing contests&#8221;, &#8220;put downs&#8221; and other publicity seeking behaviour doesn&#8217;t stop at primary school.</p>
<p>Very tedious! &#8230;and to mimick our rightwing contributors here &#8230;<br />
&#8220;I OBJECT to my hard earned tax money going to pay their unearned salaries.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Prim</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/12/04/greens-in-trouble-with-the-establishment-again/#comment-20250</link>
		<dc:creator>Prim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 01:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/12/04/greens-in-trouble-with-the-establishment-again/#comment-20250</guid>
		<description>Re frog's comment above about behaviour in Parliament, I dislike the behaviour of various MPs in the House that I have seen on television.  I have got the impression that they are like a bunch of immature, horrible children, with a few mature adults sprinkled around. 

I would like to say that the kind of behaviour to which frog refers would not be tolerated in any professional office environment, but it goes on there as well.  "Politics".  It drives decent people out.

There has to be a better way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re frog&#8217;s comment above about behaviour in Parliament, I dislike the behaviour of various MPs in the House that I have seen on television.  I have got the impression that they are like a bunch of immature, horrible children, with a few mature adults sprinkled around. </p>
<p>I would like to say that the kind of behaviour to which frog refers would not be tolerated in any professional office environment, but it goes on there as well.  &#8220;Politics&#8221;.  It drives decent people out.</p>
<p>There has to be a better way.</p>
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		<title>By: eredwen</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/12/04/greens-in-trouble-with-the-establishment-again/#comment-20208</link>
		<dc:creator>eredwen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 12:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/12/04/greens-in-trouble-with-the-establishment-again/#comment-20208</guid>
		<description>kiore1 -

neat one!  

bj has yet to catch up with our Kiwi sense of humour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kiore1 -</p>
<p>neat one!  </p>
<p>bj has yet to catch up with our Kiwi sense of humour.</p>
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		<title>By: Prim</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/12/04/greens-in-trouble-with-the-establishment-again/#comment-20203</link>
		<dc:creator>Prim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 10:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/12/04/greens-in-trouble-with-the-establishment-again/#comment-20203</guid>
		<description>kiore1 -

Because the bumper sticker said so!
:-)

Seriously, BJ, I too believe in questioning authority - or making constructive suggestions - when I think that it is reasonable to do so.  You may have found that approach quite useful in your work.  In my experience, "authorities" often change their views and approaches anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kiore1 -</p>
<p>Because the bumper sticker said so!<br />
 <img src='http://blog.greens.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Seriously, BJ, I too believe in questioning authority - or making constructive suggestions - when I think that it is reasonable to do so.  You may have found that approach quite useful in your work.  In my experience, &#8220;authorities&#8221; often change their views and approaches anyway.</p>
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