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	<title>Comments on: Just for those who don&#8217;t think there are enough conservation stories&#8230;</title>
	<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/11/29/just-for-those-who-dont-think-there-are-enough-conservation-stories/</link>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: eredwen</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/11/29/just-for-those-who-dont-think-there-are-enough-conservation-stories/#comment-20233</link>
		<dc:creator>eredwen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 00:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/11/29/just-for-those-who-dont-think-there-are-enough-conservation-stories/#comment-20233</guid>
		<description>Thanks phil.

It isn't me!  
(Remember that we are the late "Rod's Mob" here, and although he is a hard act to follow we have some very able people doing so.) 

My message to frogblog readers is that "selling the message" works well at any level ... including (or perhaps "especially") the grass roots level.

An example:  For this weekend another lot of small native trees will be potted ... to be given free to each kid who comes to any Green event ... Each child (no matter how young) carefully choses the species that would fit into their garden at home ... for that child to be responsible for ... to grow into a tree to help mitigate greenhouse gas emissions.  

The kids are rapt(!) and their parents delighted at this.  THAT is a very STRONG Green message.  (I watched while two little kids spent over half an hour seriously and carefully choosing their trees without any adult interference.)  

Another very strong message is patience and tolerance and acceptance of differences and the sense of that we are all in this mess together, (and that we are each responsible for it) and must do our bit no matter how small.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks phil.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t me!<br />
(Remember that we are the late &#8220;Rod&#8217;s Mob&#8221; here, and although he is a hard act to follow we have some very able people doing so.) </p>
<p>My message to frogblog readers is that &#8220;selling the message&#8221; works well at any level &#8230; including (or perhaps &#8220;especially&#8221;) the grass roots level.</p>
<p>An example:  For this weekend another lot of small native trees will be potted &#8230; to be given free to each kid who comes to any Green event &#8230; Each child (no matter how young) carefully choses the species that would fit into their garden at home &#8230; for that child to be responsible for &#8230; to grow into a tree to help mitigate greenhouse gas emissions.  </p>
<p>The kids are rapt(!) and their parents delighted at this.  THAT is a very STRONG Green message.  (I watched while two little kids spent over half an hour seriously and carefully choosing their trees without any adult interference.)  </p>
<p>Another very strong message is patience and tolerance and acceptance of differences and the sense of that we are all in this mess together, (and that we are each responsible for it) and must do our bit no matter how small.</p>
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		<title>By: phil u</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/11/29/just-for-those-who-dont-think-there-are-enough-conservation-stories/#comment-20220</link>
		<dc:creator>phil u</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 22:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/11/29/just-for-those-who-dont-think-there-are-enough-conservation-stories/#comment-20220</guid>
		<description>eredwen....why don't you move up here to sodom...?

the ak greens need you...

phil(whoar.co.nz)..

and nobody is questioning the sincerities/abilities of the players..

it is the selling of the message that is the problem...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eredwen&#8230;.why don&#8217;t you move up here to sodom&#8230;?</p>
<p>the ak greens need you&#8230;</p>
<p>phil(whoar.co.nz)..</p>
<p>and nobody is questioning the sincerities/abilities of the players..</p>
<p>it is the selling of the message that is the problem&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: eredwen</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/11/29/just-for-those-who-dont-think-there-are-enough-conservation-stories/#comment-20216</link>
		<dc:creator>eredwen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 21:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/11/29/just-for-those-who-dont-think-there-are-enough-conservation-stories/#comment-20216</guid>
		<description>To follow on from above:

... Banks Peninsula Greens are currently selling Raffle Tickets (and we talk to the people we sell them to ... ) 

First Prize a Solar Electric photovoltaic power supply for your home!  
Second prize a bicycle ... etc

... now THESE are good talking point for friendly Green sellers to the general public ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To follow on from above:</p>
<p>&#8230; Banks Peninsula Greens are currently selling Raffle Tickets (and we talk to the people we sell them to &#8230; ) </p>
<p>First Prize a Solar Electric photovoltaic power supply for your home!<br />
Second prize a bicycle &#8230; etc</p>
<p>&#8230; now THESE are good talking point for friendly Green sellers to the general public &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: eredwen</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/11/29/just-for-those-who-dont-think-there-are-enough-conservation-stories/#comment-20215</link>
		<dc:creator>eredwen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 21:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/11/29/just-for-those-who-dont-think-there-are-enough-conservation-stories/#comment-20215</guid>
		<description>phil:

I share your desire to see the Greens do well in the next election.  

The Green MPs (and their staff) are very hard working and articulate. I think they are an impressive lot!  They do a good job looking for appropriate publicity, and Jeanette in particular is becoming (has become) the totally acceptable face of expertise on Climate Change etc. I notice that she is invited to interviews more frequently ... and (surprise surprise) she is very "mainstream" looking and behaving! 

We cannot control the judgement of the Media (so dependent on advertising and ratings etc) and we cannot control the ignorant "throw away remarks" about Nandor, Sue, Keith ... but we are making inroads into the population, and voters cast their individual votes (in private) one person at a time.

I can only speak about our local Banks Peninsula / Christchurch Greens and we are an organised lot working towards the next goal!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>phil:</p>
<p>I share your desire to see the Greens do well in the next election.  </p>
<p>The Green MPs (and their staff) are very hard working and articulate. I think they are an impressive lot!  They do a good job looking for appropriate publicity, and Jeanette in particular is becoming (has become) the totally acceptable face of expertise on Climate Change etc. I notice that she is invited to interviews more frequently &#8230; and (surprise surprise) she is very &#8220;mainstream&#8221; looking and behaving! </p>
<p>We cannot control the judgement of the Media (so dependent on advertising and ratings etc) and we cannot control the ignorant &#8220;throw away remarks&#8221; about Nandor, Sue, Keith &#8230; but we are making inroads into the population, and voters cast their individual votes (in private) one person at a time.</p>
<p>I can only speak about our local Banks Peninsula / Christchurch Greens and we are an organised lot working towards the next goal!</p>
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		<title>By: phil u</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/11/29/just-for-those-who-dont-think-there-are-enough-conservation-stories/#comment-20210</link>
		<dc:creator>phil u</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 17:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/11/29/just-for-those-who-dont-think-there-are-enough-conservation-stories/#comment-20210</guid>
		<description>eredwen..we are talking since the last election....

the greens have been invisible..(i mean..show me where/how i am incorrect in that call..?..)

what have they campaigned about again..?
 
if others see that recent history as being ok.......(and a 'carry on as usual' the appropriate response..)

well ok....

all i can do is point this stuff out...

btw eredwen..i was quite calm when i wrote that....

and the issues i've raised can be just brushed aside..

if you think that's ok..?

(and btw eredwen...i say these things because i want the grren party to do well at the next election....and i am concerned they just plan to 'coast on their poll rating'..and won't be ready..policy-wise..again..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eredwen..we are talking since the last election&#8230;.</p>
<p>the greens have been invisible..(i mean..show me where/how i am incorrect in that call..?..)</p>
<p>what have they campaigned about again..?</p>
<p>if others see that recent history as being ok&#8230;&#8230;.(and a &#8216;carry on as usual&#8217; the appropriate response..)</p>
<p>well ok&#8230;.</p>
<p>all i can do is point this stuff out&#8230;</p>
<p>btw eredwen..i was quite calm when i wrote that&#8230;.</p>
<p>and the issues i&#8217;ve raised can be just brushed aside..</p>
<p>if you think that&#8217;s ok..?</p>
<p>(and btw eredwen&#8230;i say these things because i want the grren party to do well at the next election&#8230;.and i am concerned they just plan to &#8216;coast on their poll rating&#8217;..and won&#8217;t be ready..policy-wise..again..)</p>
<p>phil(whoar.co.nz)</p>
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		<title>By: eredwen</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/11/29/just-for-those-who-dont-think-there-are-enough-conservation-stories/#comment-20207</link>
		<dc:creator>eredwen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 12:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/11/29/just-for-those-who-dont-think-there-are-enough-conservation-stories/#comment-20207</guid>
		<description>Hey phil:

I hope you've taken a deep breath and calmed down after that last post!

With all the best will in the world the Greens can't make the media report on what they are saying, or make them print their press releases.  

For example, I'd guess that recently, the goings on over Rugby Stadia, and the knife sharpening  in the National Party over its leadership, took all the attention away from anything the Greens could have done to publicise issues. 

eredwen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey phil:</p>
<p>I hope you&#8217;ve taken a deep breath and calmed down after that last post!</p>
<p>With all the best will in the world the Greens can&#8217;t make the media report on what they are saying, or make them print their press releases.  </p>
<p>For example, I&#8217;d guess that recently, the goings on over Rugby Stadia, and the knife sharpening  in the National Party over its leadership, took all the attention away from anything the Greens could have done to publicise issues. </p>
<p>eredwen</p>
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		<title>By: phil u</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/11/29/just-for-those-who-dont-think-there-are-enough-conservation-stories/#comment-20198</link>
		<dc:creator>phil u</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 08:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/11/29/just-for-those-who-dont-think-there-are-enough-conservation-stories/#comment-20198</guid>
		<description>so..taranaki...

instead of just an ad hominem..how about showing me where my reading is wrong..

metiria has done sfa with the cannabis portfolio..

the greens have done a terrible job selling (any!) messages...

the greens have done a lousy(compromised) job as an opposition party..and as the defenders of the environment..

you are too blo*dy close to labour...!.

and you just give them an ongoing free ride/bus pass...

and as far the green messages..it's been section 59 all year..then a cop-out/textbook compromise at the end of that..

that and a (slightly-re-heated) solar energy program..

i mean..!..please show me/tell me what else has happened..!

the greens are adrift/off-message/unfocused..  

and are you telling me whoever does the greens media couldn't sell a medical marijuana/relieving terminal pain debate to the national radio producers..?..or anyone..?

did they even try..?...

or is the greens media strategy more a passive sorta thing...?

press releases..and that's about it..?

and on pot..just one of them...?

i repeat..answer my criticisms taranaki..

prove me wrong..

phil(whoar.co.nz)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so..taranaki&#8230;</p>
<p>instead of just an ad hominem..how about showing me where my reading is wrong..</p>
<p>metiria has done sfa with the cannabis portfolio..</p>
<p>the greens have done a terrible job selling (any!) messages&#8230;</p>
<p>the greens have done a lousy(compromised) job as an opposition party..and as the defenders of the environment..</p>
<p>you are too blo*dy close to labour&#8230;!.</p>
<p>and you just give them an ongoing free ride/bus pass&#8230;</p>
<p>and as far the green messages..it&#8217;s been section 59 all year..then a cop-out/textbook compromise at the end of that..</p>
<p>that and a (slightly-re-heated) solar energy program..</p>
<p>i mean..!..please show me/tell me what else has happened..!</p>
<p>the greens are adrift/off-message/unfocused..  </p>
<p>and are you telling me whoever does the greens media couldn&#8217;t sell a medical marijuana/relieving terminal pain debate to the national radio producers..?..or anyone..?</p>
<p>did they even try..?&#8230;</p>
<p>or is the greens media strategy more a passive sorta thing&#8230;?</p>
<p>press releases..and that&#8217;s about it..?</p>
<p>and on pot..just one of them&#8230;?</p>
<p>i repeat..answer my criticisms taranaki..</p>
<p>prove me wrong..</p>
<p>phil(whoar.co.nz)</p>
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		<title>By: taranaki</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/11/29/just-for-those-who-dont-think-there-are-enough-conservation-stories/#comment-20194</link>
		<dc:creator>taranaki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 06:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/11/29/just-for-those-who-dont-think-there-are-enough-conservation-stories/#comment-20194</guid>
		<description>Oh right Phil. 

On your planet Greens can call up 9 to Noon and book themselves slots to preach about their latest projects. That's how it works.

Please stop with this dreadfully arrogant posting. Frog showed just how little you actually pay attention to what the Greens do. Twice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh right Phil. </p>
<p>On your planet Greens can call up 9 to Noon and book themselves slots to preach about their latest projects. That&#8217;s how it works.</p>
<p>Please stop with this dreadfully arrogant posting. Frog showed just how little you actually pay attention to what the Greens do. Twice.</p>
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		<title>By: phil u</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/11/29/just-for-those-who-dont-think-there-are-enough-conservation-stories/#comment-20191</link>
		<dc:creator>phil u</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 06:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/11/29/just-for-those-who-dont-think-there-are-enough-conservation-stories/#comment-20191</guid>
		<description>yes frog...that press release was all i could find too..

is that it..?

and why hasn't she been working the public/media/nine-to-noon..

this medical cannabis bill resonates with far more than just dope smokers..

(i mean..the british minister of health fast-tracked 'sativex' cos' it relieves suffering....and people were suffering....and therefor it was cruel to with old this relief from their pain from them...)

now..that is one hell of a powerful message..a powerful lever on clark/prohibitionists/waverers..why is that lever not being used..?

why hasn't metiria been shouting those same imperatives from the rooftops..?

they apply here as much as there..eh..?

and  btw..if any of you have had the horror of watching loved ones die in pain because the morphine just isn't working anymore..

keep in mind they need not have suffered..heroin is four times as effective a painkiller than is morphine..(c.f...dictionary of poisons/antidotes)..

it is that same hysterical/irrational prohibitionist ethos that caused your loved ones that pain and suffering..

it has been so long....and we have travelled such a small distance..eh..?..

if at all...

these are the messages the greens/metiria should be pushing..

yet it seems metirias' heart just 'isn't in it'..eh..?

one press release just dosen't 'cut it'..eh..?

and only 3000 signatures on that petition..?

that petition i and most others haven't even heard of ..'till now..

phil(whoar.co.nz)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes frog&#8230;that press release was all i could find too..</p>
<p>is that it..?</p>
<p>and why hasn&#8217;t she been working the public/media/nine-to-noon..</p>
<p>this medical cannabis bill resonates with far more than just dope smokers..</p>
<p>(i mean..the british minister of health fast-tracked &#8217;sativex&#8217; cos&#8217; it relieves suffering&#8230;.and people were suffering&#8230;.and therefor it was cruel to with old this relief from their pain from them&#8230;)</p>
<p>now..that is one hell of a powerful message..a powerful lever on clark/prohibitionists/waverers..why is that lever not being used..?</p>
<p>why hasn&#8217;t metiria been shouting those same imperatives from the rooftops..?</p>
<p>they apply here as much as there..eh..?</p>
<p>and  btw..if any of you have had the horror of watching loved ones die in pain because the morphine just isn&#8217;t working anymore..</p>
<p>keep in mind they need not have suffered..heroin is four times as effective a painkiller than is morphine..(c.f&#8230;dictionary of poisons/antidotes)..</p>
<p>it is that same hysterical/irrational prohibitionist ethos that caused your loved ones that pain and suffering..</p>
<p>it has been so long&#8230;.and we have travelled such a small distance..eh..?..</p>
<p>if at all&#8230;</p>
<p>these are the messages the greens/metiria should be pushing..</p>
<p>yet it seems metirias&#8217; heart just &#8216;isn&#8217;t in it&#8217;..eh..?</p>
<p>one press release just dosen&#8217;t &#8216;cut it&#8217;..eh..?</p>
<p>and only 3000 signatures on that petition..?</p>
<p>that petition i and most others haven&#8217;t even heard of ..&#8217;till now..</p>
<p>phil(whoar.co.nz)</p>
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		<title>By: frog</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/11/29/just-for-those-who-dont-think-there-are-enough-conservation-stories/#comment-20187</link>
		<dc:creator>frog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 05:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/11/29/just-for-those-who-dont-think-there-are-enough-conservation-stories/#comment-20187</guid>
		<description>Happy to oblige, Phil. Metiria's bill to allow medicinal cannabis was pulled from the ballot earlier this year. She has &lt;a href="http://www.greens.org.nz/searchdocs/PR10353.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;recently deferred its 1st reading&lt;/a&gt; following a petition supporting the bill to allow for more consideration of the issues.

Cheers,
frog</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy to oblige, Phil. Metiria&#8217;s bill to allow medicinal cannabis was pulled from the ballot earlier this year. She has <a href="http://www.greens.org.nz/searchdocs/PR10353.html" >recently deferred its 1st reading</a> following a petition supporting the bill to allow for more consideration of the issues.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
frog</p>
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