Comments on: Irony?

By: phil u

phil u — Sun, 26 Nov 2006 05:52:42 +0000

not so with the weight..

the hallensteins ones i bought were heavy-duty winter ones…

they just use cheap cr*p material…

which piles/matts..and the waist on them turns into a hoop skirt..

you could catch a good following wind wearing one of them..

phil(whoar.co.nz)

By: haz

haz — Sun, 26 Nov 2006 05:44:37 +0000

..and in my wardrobe i have a teeshirt with a logo printed on with a date - 1997 - its a Chinese Teeshirt -cost under $10.00 - i know because a team i belong to had them printed up .
Its in pretty good nick too - considering its been through hundreds of washes
The trick is to get a fairly heavy weight shirt - anything under 170 gsm ( grams per sq metre) is a waste of time - best weight is 190 - 230 gsm - altho often you can’t see it on a label anywhere - they FEEL heavier too.

I’d rather be buying Made in NZ tees - but they’ve all gone to China I think .

By: phil u

phil u — Sun, 26 Nov 2006 05:29:23 +0000

just one example for you haz..

go and buy..say..a long-sleeved t’shirt from one of the low-end chains..(hallensteins/farmers etc..)

six washes later it’s a shapeless mess…

go and buy a ‘high quality’ long-sleeved t….and it will hold its shape etc..’till it rots off your back..

2day i’m wearing a ‘quicksilver’ that is so old it has a grey beard..

and it’s still like a second skin..

whereas in my washouse is a pile of long-sleeved (shapeless) t’s..(hallensteins..bought last year)..that i am sending to the op-shop…
false economy..eh..?

‘tho for things like canvas chuck taylors..(the shoe of choice for non-wearers of the animal skins) the generics at $19.95 from the shoe warehouse do the job..eh..?

(ahem..!..i recommend high-end grunds..too..cotton preferably..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)

By: haz

haz — Fri, 24 Nov 2006 04:25:32 +0000

i do actually try hard NOT to wear “labels” : ) never in danger of being mistaken for a fashion plate thats for sure and having a relative in the rag trade - who taught me at an early age that non label and label clothes are often sewn up in the same factory using very similar patterns and fabrics - helped i have to say - but i’d never pay to walk around emblazoned with the name of a car company or oil company all over me .. but whatevers spins ya wheels i guess - if I could get the punters paying to advertise MY business i’d be stoopid not to !

By: big bruv

big bruv — Fri, 24 Nov 2006 03:34:42 +0000

Haz

“and as i said before, people even PAY to advertise THIER products - pssst wanna buy an AMP Insurance jacket ? clever stuff”

So you have never owned a pair of Levi jeans or any piece of clothing with a label?

By: haz

haz — Fri, 24 Nov 2006 03:31:14 +0000

ah yes… but i suspect it has another advantage and that’s that it’s quieter …. but would people go along to watch cars racing if the cars whooshed by - the only noise being the sounds of tyres on the track ?
I read a good article in the SS Times a year or so ago about motor racing of the future being drivers sitting at consoles - simulators - usng the same skills that they use now - spectators join in virtually - .. no oil .. no noise..no pollution - and why not ?
i’ve been to two motor racing events - and i wouldn’t bother again - watching a seemingly endless stream of loud cars going around in circles just about had me in tears - of boredom … i left thinking that oil companies and car manufacturers were pretty bloody clever really - they’ve built another few levels of business on top of their basic stuff …and as i said before, people even PAY to advertise THIER products - pssst wanna buy an AMP Insurance jacket ? clever stuff.

By: Prim

Prim — Fri, 24 Nov 2006 03:26:18 +0000

Thanks Haz for the link to the Monbiot article; it was interesting reading.

In these days when climate change is discussed everywhere, I think that we are surrounded by irony. The media continue to glamourise all sorts of fossil fuel burning activities - international travel, large cars, …. it has to end!

I have been around for some decades now and it continues to strike me how little our basic lifestyles have changed in the last 20 years - other than everyone working more hours to make this juggernaut run ever faster. I shudder to think of the next 20 years continuing in the same way. Even as this past year has gone by, I have seen little change out there. People are still driving their cars, noone is walking much anywhere I look, the shops are still selling the same stuff, etc etc. One more year of inertia; one more year of nothing done, while the planet slides closer to the poo.

By: ricardo

ricardo — Fri, 24 Nov 2006 02:36:24 +0000

haz
as one who does like motorsport, (to the extent of being involved personally)
i have to agree that this is a ‘bit’ of an issue .. here is the start of a solution..

the race series that i am involved in http://alfa-racing.blip.tv/ is through the the viewing of its video, and future possibilities is sponsoring the ecological restoration project that i have being doing for three years now

http://ecologicalnz.wordpress.com .. there is no way a balance has been anywhere near reached yet , but probably shows some potential direction that most, sports , wasteful personal activities, etc will have to take .

the links to green motor racing are great, thanks , but me thinks the actual fuel used by the racing cars on the day is a but a tiny fraction of the energy consumed it create the spectacle ……. like most activities

By: haz

haz — Fri, 24 Nov 2006 01:20:09 +0000

i didn’t suggest motor racing was causing melting ice caps - i DO think its ironic - you’re right i’m not one of those salivating at hamilton’s V8 ‘coup’ - i think motor racing is nothing more than a bloody good advertising effort by oil and car companies - hell - people even PAY to walk around wearing clothes advertising Holdens

this guy says some interesting stuff about motor racing - and other sports http://observer.guardian.co.uk/osm/story/0,,1931004,00.html

Govt should be encouraging Green Motor Racing though - stuff like this - now this IS exciting because its all new - not the same old same old that racing is at present : http://www.fuelcellmarkets.com/article_default_view.fcm?articleid=9656 &subsite=388

By: mugwump

mugwump — Thu, 23 Nov 2006 22:35:05 +0000

I’m glad that the tone and content of the rebuttals to the points I raise is getting more civilised and fact-centred. Of course there are studies showing both net losses and net gains. You could call this situation a lack of consensus. Nasa’s are by no means more final than anyone else’s; calling them “THE latest figures” is misleading. Though of course they should be respected greatly and not discarded.

co2mag might be exxon-funded, but they are largely linking to peer reviewed articles (from “real scientists”) in respected journals, so I hardly see why that matters.

My key worry is that the environmentalist movement will suffer if a key issue like CO2 climate forcing is shown to be a minor influence in global warming. Will that be detrimental to the movement as a whole? I think there are other much more real angles to attack gas guzzlers on, such as dirty exhaust fumes or the non-renewable nature of oil.