Comments on: Pledge to support locked-out NDU workers http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/09/12/pledge-to-support-locked-out-ndu-workers/ hopping along the corridors of power Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:02:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: artyone http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/09/12/pledge-to-support-locked-out-ndu-workers/#comment-17319 artyone Thu, 21 Sep 2006 00:30:16 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/09/12/pledge-to-support-locked-out-ndu-workers/#comment-17319 I don't know what communism is. I mean really. The concise oxford dictionary says; Communism. Vesting in property in the community, each member working according to his capacity and recieving according to his wants; movement or political party advocating ~ism, party affirming need for a dictatorship of the proletariat... f.commun COMMON "Vesting in property in the community" Maybe our own government and the property we hold together under the crown could could be termed as communist. "each member working according to his capacity and recieving according to his wants" Without too much stretching that could be an ideal description of consumerism with a pragmatic re-description thus " each member working to the minimum requirement for the greatest gain and taking according to his wants" So therefore it isn't communist at all but unionist. Collective agreement In retrospect the concise oxford got an important word wrong, I think. "each member working according to his capacity and recieving according to his 'Needs' " with a little extra... "surplus then invested for the common good. Whatever, your making me look at pedantics, drawing me away from the bigger picture. I shouldn't be worried about my itchy finger when theres a danger my legs are going to fall off. I don’t know what communism is. I mean really.
The concise oxford dictionary says;
Communism. Vesting in property in the community, each member working according to his capacity and recieving according to his wants; movement or political party advocating ~ism, party affirming need for a dictatorship of the proletariat… f.commun COMMON

“Vesting in property in the community”
Maybe our own government and the property we hold together under the crown could could be termed as communist.
“each member working according to his capacity and recieving according to his wants”
Without too much stretching that could be an ideal description of consumerism with a pragmatic re-description thus ” each member working to the minimum requirement for the greatest gain and taking according to his wants”

So therefore it isn’t communist at all but unionist. Collective agreement

In retrospect the concise oxford got an important word wrong, I think. “each member working according to his capacity and recieving according to his ‘Needs’ ” with a little extra… “surplus then invested for the common good.

Whatever, your making me look at pedantics, drawing me away from the bigger picture. I shouldn’t be worried about my itchy finger when theres a danger my legs are going to fall off.

]]> By: big bruv http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/09/12/pledge-to-support-locked-out-ndu-workers/#comment-17317 big bruv Wed, 20 Sep 2006 23:43:28 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/09/12/pledge-to-support-locked-out-ndu-workers/#comment-17317 Arty Being told by (excuse the pun) "Big Brother" that I am unable to negotiate my own employment contract is communism. Nobody is forcing them to work for progressive, perhaps they should consider that. Arty

Being told by (excuse the pun) “Big Brother” that I am unable to negotiate my own employment contract is communism.
Nobody is forcing them to work for progressive, perhaps they should consider that.

]]> By: artyone http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/09/12/pledge-to-support-locked-out-ndu-workers/#comment-17313 artyone Wed, 20 Sep 2006 22:40:29 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/09/12/pledge-to-support-locked-out-ndu-workers/#comment-17313 Communists? Whats that all about Big Bruv? They aren't any communists in this. Maybe the people representing the workers have sympathies with Marxist ideas but that doesn't make them communist. Because I think that Mussolini and Hitler did rather well uniting their countries doesn't mean I'm a fascist. Before I go any further I suppose I have to say that why and alot of how the above two did what they did was disgraceful but that doesn't stop me from seeing the intelligence in what they acheived. So if I take the small amount of good in something essentially bad does that mean I agree entirely with the bad and am locked into it's embrace. I actually quite enjoy statements like yours Bruv because it makes me work hard to figure out myself and what I do stand for. You throw grenades without regard to anything except how far you can throw the thing and I stand back and watch with my eyes open. I learn by mistakes you don't even realise you're making. Communists? Whats that all about Big Bruv? They aren’t any communists in this. Maybe the people representing the workers have sympathies with Marxist ideas but that doesn’t make them communist. Because I think that Mussolini and Hitler did rather well uniting their countries doesn’t mean I’m a fascist. Before I go any further I suppose I have to say that why and alot of how the above two did what they did was disgraceful but that doesn’t stop me from seeing the intelligence in what they acheived. So if I take the small amount of good in something essentially bad does that mean I agree entirely with the bad and am locked into it’s embrace.
I actually quite enjoy statements like yours Bruv because it makes me work hard to figure out myself and what I do stand for. You throw grenades without regard to anything except how far you can throw the thing and I stand back and watch with my eyes open. I learn by mistakes you don’t even realise you’re making.

]]> By: big bruv http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/09/12/pledge-to-support-locked-out-ndu-workers/#comment-17311 big bruv Wed, 20 Sep 2006 22:14:38 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/09/12/pledge-to-support-locked-out-ndu-workers/#comment-17311 I continue to support Progressive in this battle with the communists, despite the propaganda from the left I have not noticed any shortage on the shelves at my local supermarket. I continue to support Progressive in this battle with the communists, despite the propaganda from the left I have not noticed any shortage on the shelves at my local supermarket.

]]> By: artyone http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/09/12/pledge-to-support-locked-out-ndu-workers/#comment-17288 artyone Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:54:32 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/09/12/pledge-to-support-locked-out-ndu-workers/#comment-17288 I'm really in two minds about this whole thing and it's easy for me to forget solidarity because I go to Foodtown for my Billington's Molasses sugar. Basically though when I think of Favona Rd I think of where I was brought up and especially where I used to play as a kid. Before that whole complex built it was chinese market gardens. Between the road and the inner harbour of the Manukau there where 50 metres of wooly nightshade and blackberries then about 500 metres of gardens before you hit the bamboo and macrocarpa on the edge of the harbour. It took us five years to eventually make our way accross those wilds before we got to the sea where we used to swim in the summer months. Now it takes five minutes to walk accross the concrete... if you can get past the security guards. To my mind the hurts caused by this business venture have been going on most of my life and I see this recent occurence as merely another symptom of an illness that has been inflicted upon my family and neighbours for years. I'm sorry but I don't even want the workers to be there in the first place. I want the market gardens to be be back there and the big trucks somewhere else. I’m really in two minds about this whole thing and it’s easy for me to forget solidarity because I go to Foodtown for my Billington’s Molasses sugar.
Basically though when I think of Favona Rd I think of where I was brought up and especially where I used to play as a kid. Before that whole complex built it was chinese market gardens. Between the road and the inner harbour of the Manukau there where 50 metres of wooly nightshade and blackberries then about 500 metres of gardens before you hit the bamboo and macrocarpa on the edge of the harbour. It took us five years to eventually make our way accross those wilds before we got to the sea where we used to swim in the summer months. Now it takes five minutes to walk accross the concrete… if you can get past the security guards.

To my mind the hurts caused by this business venture have been going on most of my life and I see this recent occurence as merely another symptom of an illness that has been inflicted upon my family and neighbours for years. I’m sorry but I don’t even want the workers to be there in the first place. I want the market gardens to be be back there and the big trucks somewhere else.

]]> By: Sam Buchanan http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/09/12/pledge-to-support-locked-out-ndu-workers/#comment-17255 Sam Buchanan Fri, 15 Sep 2006 02:38:47 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/09/12/pledge-to-support-locked-out-ndu-workers/#comment-17255 Passing on this for Wellingtonians who can help out the workers: The public collecting for the locked out workers has been going really well in Wellington. We've been averaging over $1,000 a day. But the number of people doing the collecting has fallen, and we need to make sure the load is shared if we're going to maintain this for the length of the lock-out. If people could just come along for one hour this weekend, it'd make a huge difference. The following collections are taking place this weekend: Friday evening in Town: Meet at the corner of Lambton and Willis St at 4.30pm – contact Stephan Hay 021 210 4414 if you'd like to collect but can't meet to later. Saturday afternoon in Cuba Mall: Meet at the corner of Manners Mall and Cuba Mall at 1.30pm Sunday Morning Markets: Vivian and Willis St, two shifts 9-11 and 11-1 (although it's fine if you can only come for part of a shift). Sunday afternoon Wellington vs. Canterbury: Meet at 3.30 outside the railway station, contact Nick Hirst 027 268-3291 for information or questions. Passing on this for Wellingtonians who can help out the workers:

The public collecting for the locked out workers has been going really well in Wellington. We’ve been averaging over $1,000 a day. But the number of people doing the collecting has fallen, and we need to make sure the load is shared if we’re going to maintain this for the length of the lock-out. If people could just come along for one hour this weekend, it’d make a huge difference.

The following collections are taking place this weekend:

Friday evening in Town: Meet at the corner of Lambton and Willis St at 4.30pm – contact Stephan Hay 021 210 4414 if you’d like to collect but can’t meet to later.

Saturday afternoon in Cuba Mall: Meet at the corner of Manners Mall and Cuba Mall at 1.30pm

Sunday Morning Markets: Vivian and Willis St, two shifts 9-11 and 11-1 (although it’s fine if you can only come for part of a shift).

Sunday afternoon Wellington vs. Canterbury: Meet at 3.30 outside the railway station, contact Nick Hirst 027 268-3291 for information or questions.

]]> By: phil u. http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/09/12/pledge-to-support-locked-out-ndu-workers/#comment-17253 phil u. Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:38:20 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/09/12/pledge-to-support-locked-out-ndu-workers/#comment-17253 i was unduly harsh in a previous comment where i noted readers of frogblog were being treated with contempt/indifference by the dearth of postings by frog.. i said then there was only "a couple of posts a week".. i was wrong...this week there have been four.. so..apologies for that..eh..? phil(whoar.co.nz) (cd the last one out roll up the lily-pad..?..) i was unduly harsh in a previous comment where i noted readers of frogblog were being treated with contempt/indifference by the dearth of postings by frog..

i said then there was only “a couple of posts a week”..

i was wrong…this week there have been four..

so..apologies for that..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)

(cd the last one out roll up the lily-pad..?..)

]]> By: idiot/savant http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/09/12/pledge-to-support-locked-out-ndu-workers/#comment-17250 idiot/savant Thu, 14 Sep 2006 01:50:51 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/09/12/pledge-to-support-locked-out-ndu-workers/#comment-17250 Andrew: Unlike their employer, the locked-out workers can't afford to take out full-page ads in the paper to promote their cause. Instead, they have to rely on word of mouth. Andrew: Unlike their employer, the locked-out workers can’t afford to take out full-page ads in the paper to promote their cause. Instead, they have to rely on word of mouth.

]]> By: andrew http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/09/12/pledge-to-support-locked-out-ndu-workers/#comment-17248 andrew Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:36:25 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/09/12/pledge-to-support-locked-out-ndu-workers/#comment-17248 this is the first time i've seen any indication of how we can help them (bank acct # etc). there really needs to be more of a publicity effort this is the first time i’ve seen any indication of how we can help them (bank acct # etc). there really needs to be more of a publicity effort

]]> By: zANavAShi http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/09/12/pledge-to-support-locked-out-ndu-workers/#comment-17247 zANavAShi Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:20:15 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2006/09/12/pledge-to-support-locked-out-ndu-workers/#comment-17247 Ah thanks for that email link Toad. Feedback sent :) Ah thanks for that email link Toad. Feedback sent :)

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