Comments on: A real alternative on the remote http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/12/13/a-real-alternative-on-the-remote/ hopping along the corridors of power Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:19:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Pip http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/12/13/a-real-alternative-on-the-remote/#comment-10417 Pip Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:19:12 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/12/13/a-real-alternative-on-the-remote/#comment-10417 Good (non) use of ellipses and context LibertyScott. So why do you state that "privatising roads is about competition"? Good (non) use of ellipses and context LibertyScott.

So why do you state that “privatising roads is about competition”?

]]> By: even http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/12/13/a-real-alternative-on-the-remote/#comment-10415 even Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:57:28 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/12/13/a-real-alternative-on-the-remote/#comment-10415 Libertyscott, if u find corporate media so fulfilling, what r u doing here? i wish u wern't to b honest. Libertyscott, if u find corporate media so fulfilling, what r u doing here? i wish u wern’t to b honest.

]]> By: libertyscott http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/12/13/a-real-alternative-on-the-remote/#comment-10409 libertyscott Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:23:42 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/12/13/a-real-alternative-on-the-remote/#comment-10409 Stuey, I will read that site with interest, though I note their acknowledgement of Noam Chomsky - a man who is on the record for dismissing the claims of genocide under the Khmer Rouge as "CIA propaganda", he shut up when the number of "CIA agents" (Cambodian refugees fleeing the killing fields) started to be too high. He also said "eastern Europe under Russian rule was practically a paradise" - I'd like to think the authors of that site are interested in non-violence and peace, but such blatant ignorance of the murder of anti-American regimes is revolting. 250 million people killed in the 20th century due to goverment, 6x the figure for war - seems to me the state is a bigger threat than corporations ever are. You can always not buy products you don't like, even if it is "hard" to wean yourself off them, you can't defend yourself against the state when it attacks you. I wouldn't argue that privatising roads is about competition, it is about getting the government out of what it is not very good at. Privatising roads can mean many things, on the one hand it can mean running highways as commercial concerns, on the other local streets being owned collectively by adjacent property owners. One of the safest and least congested main roads in Australia is the privately funded and operated Melbourne Citylink. I still can't figure out why people who are against "corporate media bias" don't just set up their own broadcasters? Stuey, I will read that site with interest, though I note their acknowledgement of Noam Chomsky - a man who is on the record for dismissing the claims of genocide under the Khmer Rouge as “CIA propaganda”, he shut up when the number of “CIA agents” (Cambodian refugees fleeing the killing fields) started to be too high. He also said “eastern Europe under Russian rule was practically a paradise” - I’d like to think the authors of that site are interested in non-violence and peace, but such blatant ignorance of the murder of anti-American regimes is revolting. 250 million people killed in the 20th century due to goverment, 6x the figure for war - seems to me the state is a bigger threat than corporations ever are. You can always not buy products you don’t like, even if it is “hard” to wean yourself off them, you can’t defend yourself against the state when it attacks you.

I wouldn’t argue that privatising roads is about competition, it is about getting the government out of what it is not very good at. Privatising roads can mean many things, on the one hand it can mean running highways as commercial concerns, on the other local streets being owned collectively by adjacent property owners. One of the safest and least congested main roads in Australia is the privately funded and operated Melbourne Citylink.

I still can’t figure out why people who are against “corporate media bias” don’t just set up their own broadcasters?

]]> By: waymad http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/12/13/a-real-alternative-on-the-remote/#comment-10402 waymad Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:51:14 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/12/13/a-real-alternative-on-the-remote/#comment-10402 The real pity over the current TVNZ debacle isn't about the future model to be chosen (PBS core and sell off the rest, IMHO), but the slow train-wreck that we are witnessing. That's draining value, energy, spirit and creativeness out of TVNZ as we blog on here, and the more the Govt digs away in the apparent interests of transparency, the worst it will get. Whatever the future holds in terms of models, it certainly won't have much in the way of human resources of any quality to build with. The brightest and best in TVNZ have long since left the building. The real pity over the current TVNZ debacle isn’t about the future model to be chosen (PBS core and sell off the rest, IMHO), but the slow train-wreck that we are witnessing. That’s draining value, energy, spirit and creativeness out of TVNZ as we blog on here, and the more the Govt digs away in the apparent interests of transparency, the worst it will get.

Whatever the future holds in terms of models, it certainly won’t have much in the way of human resources of any quality to build with. The brightest and best in TVNZ have long since left the building.

]]> By: even http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/12/13/a-real-alternative-on-the-remote/#comment-10399 even Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:32:54 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/12/13/a-real-alternative-on-the-remote/#comment-10399 libertyscoot said "what do you think of a BBC journalist who describes stockmarket traders as performing a “useless taskâ€?? I think i would like to hear the specifics of why that person has formed that particular opinion and then decide if i agree or not. I also think that it has extra interest value because alternative opinions, like that persons, are not given any worthwhile coverage in media for a reason, and i'm betting that reason is not because they have no merit or wide support of sentiment in the general public. libertyscoot said “what do you think of a BBC journalist who describes stockmarket traders as performing a “useless taskâ€??
I think i would like to hear the specifics of why that person has formed that particular opinion and then decide if i agree or not.
I also think that it has extra interest value because alternative opinions, like that persons, are not given any worthwhile coverage in media for a reason, and i’m betting that reason is not because they have no merit or wide support of sentiment in the general public.

]]> By: stuey http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/12/13/a-real-alternative-on-the-remote/#comment-10396 stuey Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:33:12 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/12/13/a-real-alternative-on-the-remote/#comment-10396 scott, to you I would have to say: http://www.medialens.org/ The ridiculousness of the arguments in your first para only makes me think your second is pants too. It reminds me of Libertarianz who argue in favour of private roads by saying that in a free market we will be able to choose which of the private road companies we want to frequent with our business and that this competition will drive improvements in the roading network. scott, to you I would have to say:
http://www.medialens.org/

The ridiculousness of the arguments in your first para only makes me think your second is pants too. It reminds me of Libertarianz who argue in favour of private roads by saying that in a free market we will be able to choose which of the private road companies we want to frequent with our business and that this competition will drive improvements in the roading network.

]]> By: libertyscott http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/12/13/a-real-alternative-on-the-remote/#comment-10395 libertyscott Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:24:36 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/12/13/a-real-alternative-on-the-remote/#comment-10395 Stuey, so what do you think of a BBC journalist who describes stockmarket traders as performing a "useless task" if that isn't a leftwing view? I'd say it was biased towards the right if it called welfare beneficiaries bludgers or protest marchers "trouble makers". Besides, what is stopping ANY of you from getting together and establishing your own broadcast outlet to express your views? What stops voluntarily funded public broadcasting? Stuey, so what do you think of a BBC journalist who describes stockmarket traders as performing a “useless task” if that isn’t a leftwing view? I’d say it was biased towards the right if it called welfare beneficiaries bludgers or protest marchers “trouble makers”.

Besides, what is stopping ANY of you from getting together and establishing your own broadcast outlet to express your views? What stops voluntarily funded public broadcasting?

]]> By: stuey http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/12/13/a-real-alternative-on-the-remote/#comment-10387 stuey Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:30:09 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/12/13/a-real-alternative-on-the-remote/#comment-10387 The BBC do not have a left-wing bias. They have an establishment bias. If you think the british establishment (and the UK Labour party) are left-wing then you are clearly in need of professional help. The BBC do not have a left-wing bias. They have an establishment bias. If you think the british establishment (and the UK Labour party) are left-wing then you are clearly in need of professional help.

]]> By: dbuckley http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/12/13/a-real-alternative-on-the-remote/#comment-10381 dbuckley Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:13:41 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/12/13/a-real-alternative-on-the-remote/#comment-10381 This debate always ends up the same way, you have to decouple the comercial concept of "advert free" from the principles of "pubic service broadcasting",otherwise it does end up all about the money, and the reason for having a public service broadcaster is lost. There are people who say the BBC is left wing, its opinions are often more left than other organisations which are more right wing, but those who say that are being very selective in their view. The Beeb is basically a good thing, but with a dodgy method of financing (licence fee) and its unwilling to be a "public service broadcaster", it wants to be right up there with its rivals, which I dont think is nesessarily what the people want from a public service broadcaster, but the licence fee method of finance makes this inevitable, or folks would whine about paying for something they dont want. This debate always ends up the same way, you have to decouple the comercial concept of “advert free” from the principles of “pubic service broadcasting”,otherwise it does end up all about the money, and the reason for having a public service broadcaster is lost.

There are people who say the BBC is left wing, its opinions are often more left than other organisations which are more right wing, but those who say that are being very selective in their view. The Beeb is basically a good thing, but with a dodgy method of financing (licence fee) and its unwilling to be a “public service broadcaster”, it wants to be right up there with its rivals, which I dont think is nesessarily what the people want from a public service broadcaster, but the licence fee method of finance makes this inevitable, or folks would whine about paying for something they dont want.

]]> By: alexei http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/12/13/a-real-alternative-on-the-remote/#comment-10380 alexei Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:05:25 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/12/13/a-real-alternative-on-the-remote/#comment-10380 bjchip - I couldn't agree more! bjchip - I couldn’t agree more!

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