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		<title>By: phil u.</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/09/12/coalition-building/#comment-5167</link>
		<dc:creator>phil u.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 05:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re update 2..of course he&#039;ll say that...

the true position was a leak..and i was really surprised because it telegraphed his intentions...which is unlike him...

so that&#039;s why he&#039;s back to the spin position...it has that air of uncertainty he loves...but i still contend revenge against the actites in national is one of his current motivations...

and that the leaked position is the actual one..

phil(whoar.co.nz)</description>
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<p>re update 2..of course he&#8217;ll say that&#8230;</p>
<p>the true position was a leak..and i was really surprised because it telegraphed his intentions&#8230;which is unlike him&#8230;</p>
<p>so that&#8217;s why he&#8217;s back to the spin position&#8230;it has that air of uncertainty he loves&#8230;but i still contend revenge against the actites in national is one of his current motivations&#8230;</p>
<p>and that the leaked position is the actual one..</p>
<p>phil(whoar.co.nz)</p>
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		<title>By: icehawk</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/09/12/coalition-building/#comment-5158</link>
		<dc:creator>icehawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 03:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;He’ll allow the single largest party to form a government by abstaining on confidence and supply motions&quot;

But that sentence is inherently contradictory!  You can&#039;t allow the single largest party to form a government by abstaining on confidence and supply motions.

I&#039;m imagining  a 122-seat parliament with 
8 NZ First, 
8 Greens + 50 Labour = 58
2 UF + 3 Maori + 51 National = 57

If NZ First abstains then the Labour/Greens can guarantee confidence and supply, and the largest party National can&#039;t (not even if the Maori Party supports them).  

The Logic Police will come for Winnie unless he picks ONE or the OTHER of :

(a) &quot;We will vote in Confidence and Supply motions to support ... &quot;  (who?)
or
(b) &quot;We will abstain in Confidence and Supply motions&quot;.</description>
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<p>&#8220;He’ll allow the single largest party to form a government by abstaining on confidence and supply motions&#8221;</p>
<p>But that sentence is inherently contradictory!  You can&#8217;t allow the single largest party to form a government by abstaining on confidence and supply motions.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m imagining  a 122-seat parliament with<br />
8 NZ First,<br />
8 Greens + 50 Labour = 58<br />
2 UF + 3 Maori + 51 National = 57</p>
<p>If NZ First abstains then the Labour/Greens can guarantee confidence and supply, and the largest party National can&#8217;t (not even if the Maori Party supports them).  </p>
<p>The Logic Police will come for Winnie unless he picks ONE or the OTHER of :</p>
<p>(a) &#8220;We will vote in Confidence and Supply motions to support &#8230; &#8221;  (who?)<br />
or<br />
(b) &#8220;We will abstain in Confidence and Supply motions&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: phil u.</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/09/12/coalition-building/#comment-5138</link>
		<dc:creator>phil u.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 23:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>frog...peters stance makes perfect sense on a number of levels..not least of these being revenge....
peters is playing the long game..and i have blogged on it today..(&#039;peters&#039; revenge&#039;)

(apologies if i may have jumped the gun on a hat-tip you were going to do..eh..?..)

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<p>frog&#8230;peters stance makes perfect sense on a number of levels..not least of these being revenge&#8230;.<br />
peters is playing the long game..and i have blogged on it today..(&#8216;peters&#8217; revenge&#8217;)</p>
<p>(apologies if i may have jumped the gun on a hat-tip you were going to do..eh..?..)</p>
<p>phil(whoar.co.nz)</p>
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		<title>By: frog</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/09/12/coalition-building/#comment-5131</link>
		<dc:creator>frog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, clearly both LPG and NU would prefer not to need Winston&#039;s support in any form :) And, on current polling, LPG are two seats away from being in that situation, whereas NU are eleven seats short. So, all we need is a slight lift in Labour and the Greens&#039; numbers. Maybe you&#039;d like to be of some assistance in that regard?</description>
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<p>Well, clearly both LPG and NU would prefer not to need Winston&#8217;s support in any form <img src='http://blog.greens.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  And, on current polling, LPG are two seats away from being in that situation, whereas NU are eleven seats short. So, all we need is a slight lift in Labour and the Greens&#8217; numbers. Maybe you&#8217;d like to be of some assistance in that regard?</p>
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		<title>By: Edge</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/09/12/coalition-building/#comment-5130</link>
		<dc:creator>Edge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All very interesting Frog but what good is being in Government if National/UFNZ/NZF/?ACT? have more votes than Labour/Greens/Progressive/Maori?

And can a LabourGreens government back Peters&#039; bottom lines for abstention?

Sure you&#039;d get to pass a budget, but the Centre/Right would get to abolish parole for serious/repeat offenders...</description>
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<p>All very interesting Frog but what good is being in Government if National/UFNZ/NZF/?ACT? have more votes than Labour/Greens/Progressive/Maori?</p>
<p>And can a LabourGreens government back Peters&#8217; bottom lines for abstention?</p>
<p>Sure you&#8217;d get to pass a budget, but the Centre/Right would get to abolish parole for serious/repeat offenders&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: katie</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/09/12/coalition-building/#comment-5117</link>
		<dc:creator>katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 21:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peters has all the finesse of the popular, rich, girl at school who just assumes an automatic invitation to your birthday party, and goes about advising &quot;the unfortunate&quot; how to become popular so that they&#039;ll become a must-have partygoer too.

Anyone canvassed Courtney Place  bouncers on their feelings about NZ First retaining a seat in Parliament?  I&#039;m sure his cumulative spend over 3 years would be more than offset by the reduction in streetside aggro!!</description>
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<p>Peters has all the finesse of the popular, rich, girl at school who just assumes an automatic invitation to your birthday party, and goes about advising &#8220;the unfortunate&#8221; how to become popular so that they&#8217;ll become a must-have partygoer too.</p>
<p>Anyone canvassed Courtney Place  bouncers on their feelings about NZ First retaining a seat in Parliament?  I&#8217;m sure his cumulative spend over 3 years would be more than offset by the reduction in streetside aggro!!</p>
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		<title>By: OliverBendix</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/09/12/coalition-building/#comment-5113</link>
		<dc:creator>OliverBendix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 21:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think that&#039;s weird at all.  Given the silly idea &quot;I&#039;ll side with the biggest winner&quot; it seems more consistent to me to consider blocs than parties when deciding who to side with, particularly since the clearly aligned smaller parties have been explicitly campaigning as potential coalition partners for the big&#039;uns.

It would be simpler (and better!) of course if he just didn&#039;t get elected.</description>
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<p>I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s weird at all.  Given the silly idea &#8220;I&#8217;ll side with the biggest winner&#8221; it seems more consistent to me to consider blocs than parties when deciding who to side with, particularly since the clearly aligned smaller parties have been explicitly campaigning as potential coalition partners for the big&#8217;uns.</p>
<p>It would be simpler (and better!) of course if he just didn&#8217;t get elected.</p>
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