Comments on: Cause and effect http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/08/30/cause-and-effect/ hopping along the corridors of power Sat, 22 Nov 2008 05:40:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: bjchip http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/08/30/cause-and-effect/#comment-4256 bjchip Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:32:00 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/08/30/cause-and-effect/#comment-4256 zenTiger The most correct way to force them to insulate and maintain would be to force them to pay for heating them to some reasonable temperature. That wouldn't be easy to control, measure, legislate or do of course, but it would directly put the cost of their inaction in this regard, back on their shoulders. Of course, given the way they are favoured by the tax system, they'd simply deduct it. ------------- Sock Thief - I don't know where you get that nonsense about the supplements industry, maybe your spam filter is letting through too much garbage, but there's more to this than simply calling it snake-oil. There's some of that of course, but there's also a lot of stuff that is helpful if you want to stay healthy for a long time. Sue K. may be right off the wall on some of the vaccinations, but the FDA of the US and the big pharma companies are behind most of the anti-supplement rhetoric. THEY want it all to be prescription drugs, patented and expensive. Follow the studies and the money Sock... it isn't a pretty sight. That fools do not do their homework before buying something, is not unique to the supplement industry. respectfully BJ zenTiger

The most correct way to force them to insulate and maintain would be to force them to pay for heating them to some reasonable temperature. That wouldn’t be easy to control, measure, legislate or do of course, but it would directly put the cost of their inaction in this regard, back on their shoulders.

Of course, given the way they are favoured by the tax system, they’d simply deduct it.

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Sock Thief - I don’t know where you get that nonsense about the supplements industry, maybe your spam filter is letting through too much garbage, but there’s more to this than simply calling it snake-oil. There’s some of that of course, but there’s also a lot of stuff that is helpful if you want to stay healthy for a long time. Sue K. may be right off the wall on some of the vaccinations, but the FDA of the US and the big pharma companies are behind most of the anti-supplement rhetoric. THEY want it all to be prescription drugs, patented and expensive. Follow the studies and the money Sock… it isn’t a pretty sight. That fools do not do their homework before buying something, is not unique to the supplement industry.

respectfully
BJ

]]> By: DR http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/08/30/cause-and-effect/#comment-4253 DR Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:39:21 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/08/30/cause-and-effect/#comment-4253 I think the whales are happy not being vaccinated against diseases like Brash I think the whales are happy not being vaccinated against diseases like Brash

]]> By: ZenTiger http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/08/30/cause-and-effect/#comment-4251 ZenTiger Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:31:23 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/08/30/cause-and-effect/#comment-4251 Stuey: All, that's EVERY SINGLE ONE, of you left wingers like to make sweeping generalisations. But to change the topic for just a mo. Not bad about the humpback whales through Cook Strait eh? Stuey: All, that’s EVERY SINGLE ONE, of you left wingers like to make sweeping generalisations.

But to change the topic for just a mo. Not bad about the humpback whales through Cook Strait eh?

]]> By: sock thief http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/08/30/cause-and-effect/#comment-4226 sock thief Tue, 30 Aug 2005 23:32:21 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/08/30/cause-and-effect/#comment-4226 Yes, I do understand that the anti-vaccination lobby dress their anti-science views up as some sort of parents rights issue. Yes, I do understand that the anti-vaccination lobby dress their anti-science views up as some sort of parents rights issue.

]]> By: stuey http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/08/30/cause-and-effect/#comment-4225 stuey Tue, 30 Aug 2005 23:24:23 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/08/30/cause-and-effect/#comment-4225 sock boy have you actually read any of Sue K's PRs on the meningococcal vaccine - she never once attacks the vaccine or the campaign, she only defends the rights of parents who don't want their children to be vaccinated. I'd have thought that such a stance would appeal to all you right-wing personal freedom types, but then again the right-wings stance on cannabis shows that personal freedom and opposition to the "nanny-state" only extends to some things. sock boy have you actually read any of Sue K’s PRs on the meningococcal vaccine - she never once attacks the vaccine or the campaign, she only defends the rights of parents who don’t want their children to be vaccinated.

I’d have thought that such a stance would appeal to all you right-wing personal freedom types, but then again the right-wings stance on cannabis shows that personal freedom and opposition to the “nanny-state” only extends to some things.

]]> By: mugwump http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/08/30/cause-and-effect/#comment-4222 mugwump Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:32:26 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/08/30/cause-and-effect/#comment-4222 How about legislating that Acupuncturists cannot practice unless their certification is approved by the NZ professional body of acupuncture. And recognising acupuncturists on a par with doctors when it comes to ACC payouts etc, as increasingly people are turning to their acupuncturist rather than a GP for general medical advice and treatment. This way you give people the choice of treatment between the largely complementary systems. And also putting an end to the nightmare situation we have now where anybody - even a GP with no background of knowledge to understand the science of acupunture and only a few weeks of needling training - can practice acupuncture without restrictions. How about legislating that Acupuncturists cannot practice unless their certification is approved by the NZ professional body of acupuncture. And recognising acupuncturists on a par with doctors when it comes to ACC payouts etc, as increasingly people are turning to their acupuncturist rather than a GP for general medical advice and treatment.

This way you give people the choice of treatment between the largely complementary systems. And also putting an end to the nightmare situation we have now where anybody - even a GP with no background of knowledge to understand the science of acupunture and only a few weeks of needling training - can practice acupuncture without restrictions.

]]> By: sock thief http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/08/30/cause-and-effect/#comment-4221 sock thief Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:26:16 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/08/30/cause-and-effect/#comment-4221 After Kedgley's recent attack on the meningococcal campaign this is another reason not to vote Green. Having her fiddling with public health would be a complete disaster. She should stick to being a lobbyist for the biggest snake oil sellers out there - the health supplement industry. After Kedgley’s recent attack on the meningococcal campaign this is another reason not to vote Green. Having her fiddling with public health would be a complete disaster. She should stick to being a lobbyist for the biggest snake oil sellers out there - the health supplement industry.

]]> By: kittenslayer http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/08/30/cause-and-effect/#comment-4211 kittenslayer Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:57:11 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/08/30/cause-and-effect/#comment-4211 I think the whole preventive education is a really good idea. It's a kind of Chinese way of think :P I think the whole preventive education is a really good idea. It’s a kind of Chinese way of think :P

]]> By: stuey http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/08/30/cause-and-effect/#comment-4207 stuey Tue, 30 Aug 2005 06:52:20 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/08/30/cause-and-effect/#comment-4207 I'll only answer the free medical check each year, yes it does mean that everyone, even millionaires get it free, but it doesn't mean that taxes have to go up because by nipping potential health problems in the bud, it means that the health service will save money on later treatment. I’ll only answer the free medical check each year, yes it does mean that everyone, even millionaires get it free, but it doesn’t mean that taxes have to go up because by nipping potential health problems in the bud, it means that the health service will save money on later treatment.

]]> By: DR http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/08/30/cause-and-effect/#comment-4201 DR Tue, 30 Aug 2005 04:13:48 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/08/30/cause-and-effect/#comment-4201 Sacking most of the health policy analysts will save the funds for rebranding - which can be done gradually as old letterhead runs out, car leases expire, signs replaced, new advertising placed etc. Better still, sending health policy analysts out in the real world to earn a living will remove inertia from the health management system. This will increase productivity and better use of existing health budgets. I think the analysts should go work as rest home carers at $10/hour for a few years, return their laptops and mobile phones, use public transport, and eat more fiber for breakfast. Sacking most of the health policy analysts will save the funds for rebranding - which can be done gradually as old letterhead runs out, car leases expire, signs replaced, new advertising placed etc.

Better still, sending health policy analysts out in the real world to earn a living will remove inertia from the health management system. This will increase productivity and better use of existing health budgets.

I think the analysts should go work as rest home carers at $10/hour for a few years, return their laptops and mobile phones, use public transport, and eat more fiber for breakfast.

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