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		<title>By: stuey</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/07/05/tv-makes-us-dumb/#comment-1445</link>
		<dc:creator>stuey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2005 02:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>er, sock, how on earth does it follow that frog&#039;s call for more educational material on TV means that frog wants a particular political viewpoint to be aired. Surely educational TV programmes would be non-partisan? 

Yes frog&#039;s call implies government regulation of TV companies, but it does not mean government propaganda.</description>
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<p>er, sock, how on earth does it follow that frog&#8217;s call for more educational material on TV means that frog wants a particular political viewpoint to be aired. Surely educational TV programmes would be non-partisan? </p>
<p>Yes frog&#8217;s call implies government regulation of TV companies, but it does not mean government propaganda.</p>
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		<title>By: bjchip</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/07/05/tv-makes-us-dumb/#comment-1441</link>
		<dc:creator>bjchip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2005 01:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just TV
   http://www.newswithviews.com/NWVexclusive/exclusive5.htm
   http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7229
   http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/03/020319075159.htm
http://life.ecureme.com/HealthyLiving/AlternativeLiving/al-c12-090204AUG.asp
 http://www.motherearthnews.com/library/1979_March_April/Four_Arguments_for_the_Elimination_of_Television_Argument_Three__Effects_of
http://www.turnoffyourtv.com/
http://www.turnoffyourtv.com/reviews/tubemovie.html

Televised Violence:
   http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/p011070.html
   http://www.killology.com/index.htm

VideoGames:
   http://www.sciencenewsforkids.org/articles/20040114/Feature1.asp

Control:
   http://www.atsnn.com/story/124672.html

Gender (OT):
http://wcvb-tvhealth.ip2m.com/index.cfm?PageType=itemDetail&amp;Item_ID=8451&amp;Site_Cat_ID=6

God (OT):
  http://db.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2003/godonbrain.shtml

There are few redeeming features to Television.  It has the ability to provide 
far more than it does, and it kills time of which we all have far too little.  

When I want to turn off my brain, and that IS occasionally desireable, I can think of no more effective method than TV.   However, turning off the brains of my Children is a dead loss as far as I am concerned.  

respectfully 
BJ</description>
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<p>Just TV<br />
   <a href="http://www.newswithviews.com/NWVexclusive/exclusive5.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.newswithviews.com/NWVexclusive/exclusive5.htm</a><br />
   <a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7229" rel="nofollow">http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7229</a><br />
   <a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/03/020319075159.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/03/020319075159.htm</a><br />
<a href="http://life.ecureme.com/HealthyLiving/AlternativeLiving/al-c12-090204AUG.asp" rel="nofollow">http://life.ecureme.com/HealthyLiving/AlternativeLiving/al-c12-090204AUG.asp</a><br />
 <a href="http://www.motherearthnews.com/library/1979_March_April/Four_Arguments_for_the_Elimination_of_Television_Argument_Three__Effects_of" rel="nofollow">http://www.motherearthnews.com/library/1979_March_April/Four_Arguments_for_the_Elimination_of_Television_Argument_Three__Effects_of</a><br />
<a href="http://www.turnoffyourtv.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.turnoffyourtv.com/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.turnoffyourtv.com/reviews/tubemovie.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.turnoffyourtv.com/reviews/tubemovie.html</a></p>
<p>Televised Violence:<br />
   <a href="http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/p011070.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/p011070.html</a><br />
   <a href="http://www.killology.com/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.killology.com/index.htm</a></p>
<p>VideoGames:<br />
   <a href="http://www.sciencenewsforkids.org/articles/20040114/Feature1.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencenewsforkids.org/articles/20040114/Feature1.asp</a></p>
<p>Control:<br />
   <a href="http://www.atsnn.com/story/124672.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.atsnn.com/story/124672.html</a></p>
<p>Gender (OT):<br />
<a href="http://wcvb-tvhealth.ip2m.com/index.cfm?PageType=itemDetail&#038;Item_ID=8451&#038;Site_Cat_ID=6" rel="nofollow">http://wcvb-tvhealth.ip2m.com/index.cfm?PageType=itemDetail&#038;Item_ID=8451&#038;Site_Cat_ID=6</a></p>
<p>God (OT):<br />
  <a href="http://db.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2003/godonbrain.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://db.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2003/godonbrain.shtml</a></p>
<p>There are few redeeming features to Television.  It has the ability to provide<br />
far more than it does, and it kills time of which we all have far too little.  </p>
<p>When I want to turn off my brain, and that IS occasionally desireable, I can think of no more effective method than TV.   However, turning off the brains of my Children is a dead loss as far as I am concerned.  </p>
<p>respectfully<br />
BJ</p>
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		<title>By: sock thief</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/07/05/tv-makes-us-dumb/#comment-1430</link>
		<dc:creator>sock thief</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2005 21:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting and difficult to interpret as Icehawke notes. But frog&#039;s reaction of &quot;If the saturation advertising was taken out of children’s television, and a greater educational component was added, it could be a powerful means of education&#039; is both worrying and unjustified. 

Unjustified since the study provides no evidence that a change of programming would have any effect at all. Worrying, because it is yet again evidence that frog would like to use TV to promote a particular political point of view.

There are a range of possible factors involved. One is that this is partially self-selection. Kids with low initiative may tend to watch more TV and this trait may also lead to low motivation in education. Also the assumption is being made, by academics, that this lack of academic success is necessarily bad. Possibly, but also possible is that the TV addicts chose different, equally rewarding, career paths. Did Peter Jackson attend university?
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<p>It&#8217;s interesting and difficult to interpret as Icehawke notes. But frog&#8217;s reaction of &#8220;If the saturation advertising was taken out of children’s television, and a greater educational component was added, it could be a powerful means of education&#8217; is both worrying and unjustified. </p>
<p>Unjustified since the study provides no evidence that a change of programming would have any effect at all. Worrying, because it is yet again evidence that frog would like to use TV to promote a particular political point of view.</p>
<p>There are a range of possible factors involved. One is that this is partially self-selection. Kids with low initiative may tend to watch more TV and this trait may also lead to low motivation in education. Also the assumption is being made, by academics, that this lack of academic success is necessarily bad. Possibly, but also possible is that the TV addicts chose different, equally rewarding, career paths. Did Peter Jackson attend university?</p>
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		<title>By: icehawk</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/07/05/tv-makes-us-dumb/#comment-1392</link>
		<dc:creator>icehawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2005 02:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Studies in the US tend to show that more than 8 hours of TV-watching per week is bad for kids.   Oddly, often kids who watch 4 to 8 hours a week do better than those who watch none.

But correlation and causation are two different things.

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<p>Studies in the US tend to show that more than 8 hours of TV-watching per week is bad for kids.   Oddly, often kids who watch 4 to 8 hours a week do better than those who watch none.</p>
<p>But correlation and causation are two different things.</p>
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		<title>By: bjchip</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/07/05/tv-makes-us-dumb/#comment-1382</link>
		<dc:creator>bjchip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2005 00:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TV is bad, even when it is good.  It is passive and mind numbing with several brain scan studies that point out that it induces a semi-hypnotic state in the viewer.  

This is a very different result from the interaction that a computer provides, and as a result any conclusion that mixes the two will make serious errors.

TV time is also time &quot;alone&quot; and social intelligence and the ability to work with others is damaged by it.  In this regard the computer is similar. 

A lot of TV can make a whole country dumb.  I&#039;d have the damned thing shut off 4 hours a day at least, just to FORCE people to do something else... no it isn&#039;t fair, or practical or reasonable or just, but the glass teat is a serious challenge to civilization.    

respectfully 
BJ</description>
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<p>TV is bad, even when it is good.  It is passive and mind numbing with several brain scan studies that point out that it induces a semi-hypnotic state in the viewer.  </p>
<p>This is a very different result from the interaction that a computer provides, and as a result any conclusion that mixes the two will make serious errors.</p>
<p>TV time is also time &#8220;alone&#8221; and social intelligence and the ability to work with others is damaged by it.  In this regard the computer is similar. </p>
<p>A lot of TV can make a whole country dumb.  I&#8217;d have the damned thing shut off 4 hours a day at least, just to FORCE people to do something else&#8230; no it isn&#8217;t fair, or practical or reasonable or just, but the glass teat is a serious challenge to civilization.    </p>
<p>respectfully<br />
BJ</p>
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		<title>By: peterquixote</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2005 23:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fwwog  you donts blame the tv or they stop watching yo pastor on tv3, tell us that the border closed ..  the mains things is your dad fwwog, like if you gets the daddy fwwog with the dumbness it come out .. now if you gets the mummy fwwog with the dumbness you gets to jumps around lots at schoool mn things they gets you the ritilin, i sold mines to the girls next door .. they so dumb fwwog they watch Dr. Phil to helps them with the mummy fwwog</description>
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<p>fwwog  you donts blame the tv or they stop watching yo pastor on tv3, tell us that the border closed ..  the mains things is your dad fwwog, like if you gets the daddy fwwog with the dumbness it come out .. now if you gets the mummy fwwog with the dumbness you gets to jumps around lots at schoool mn things they gets you the ritilin, i sold mines to the girls next door .. they so dumb fwwog they watch Dr. Phil to helps them with the mummy fwwog</p>
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