by frog
It’s often said that New Zealanders don’t like “the vision thing”. We’re suspicious of lofty rhetoric, of grandiose ideas, of too much ideology. We’re practical people. That’s certainly what Helen Clark believes, and why she is so reluctant to use the word “vision”.
Well, on this matter, the Greens are different. We do offer a clear vision. Those wishing to find out quickly and clearly what the Green Party’s vision is really about would do well to go read our Charter, Vision, and Values. They are three concise documents which give any outsiders a very good insight into the philosophy underpinning the Green movement. Three of the Green Party’s “values” are:
1. Engage respectfully, without personal attacks.
2. Support ideas on their merit, regardless of where they originate.
3. Encourage new voices and cherish wisdom.
It is in the spirit of these three Green values that I gladly accept David Farrar’s offer to name three people I disagree with and say nice things about them. So, here goes:
1. Rodney Hide: While its fair to say that Rodney’s values and Green values are almost as far apart as is possible, you have to admire his pluck, energy, and confidence under fire. He seems to be a person who puts his heart and soul into his work, and one has to empathise on a human level with him as all this work, for the moment, seems to be amounting to nothing. His efforts on his blog also show a commitment to communicating directly with the public – something many MPs, once they get to Wellington, think they’re above.
2. Katherine Rich and Georgina te Heuheu: These women represent a party that, if it gets the chance to govern New Zealand, could do our country a great deal of damage. However, I have great respect for both of them for being willing to stand up to their leader and not roll over when he asked them to sign up to policies they personally found offensive. That showed courage that very few MPs would be able to muster, especially as it damaged their political careers.
3. David Farrar: While he never misses an opportunity to misrepresent and make fun of the Greens, his blog is entertaining and well-informed. It also seems to come from a genuine desire to make New Zealand a better place. He is also not one to descend into the vicious personal slinging matches that are an occasional feature of the blogosphere.
The thought behind this idea of saying nice things about your opponents may seem kind of cheesy. However, we would all do well to remember, in election year, that the politicians we’re railing against are people too, usually motivated by a desire to improve New Zealand for everybody. That idealism does get lost far too often in the daily cut-and-thrust of party politics.
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Published in Campaign by frog on Sat, July 2nd, 2005
Tags: environment
on the trolls and those who are unable to keep on topic
fwwog .. fwwog for jeez sake .. it visions that yo downfalls fwwog .. loks fwwog yo got ten per cents of the peoples votes and yo equals to the tyrants .. the mainstream fight is over fwwog .. and we in no positions to fix it .. whats your namby pansy leader does abouts it .. he thwows the vote away at the exile.. she go to stockholms fwwogg skockholms .. yous got to carbons ypdates fwwog ..
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and just to loks aheads even further kikken the fwwog yi maharry says he donts do wods with the for foots pincers .. he kikken away too .. fwwogs .. yo peoples deserve betters .. we gives you the % of you votes fwwog .. what you get fwwom stockholm
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Greetings from your Green friends in the Reform Party of Gibraltar (Europe). We’ve taken this unusual step of trying to contact NZ Greens via this log because our contacts to your main party HQ go unanswered.
We often view your website and feel there is much in common between our ‘world views’.
We’d like to hear from Greens in Aotoroa/NZ !
Yours,
RP(G) http://www.reformpartygib.com info@reformpartygib.com
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i think you can include Peter’s Done as being worth at least a few seats to centre left fwwog . he open and works either way .. he will get votes surely to three per cents plus harry belmont seats, because he has tv space coming, and the family daddy vote .
by the time you add in all yous fwwogs peoplse say 11+seats
an independent but lefts wing maori peoples,
then yous got anderton,
maybes a couple donts know
yous could probablys hold up helengrad till we outsmanoevres you
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you gots to ask the tyrants before you brings any those portuguese ecoterrorist here fwwogs .. theys better be carefuls or he gets franco to visits them
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fwwog .. i tells them that theys not to pull keiths legs for reading tolstoys .. and in the spirit of goodwills that you offer
we takes the deads coyote off yo hands for you,
and we gives you our tax policy in exchange
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fwwog i answered the reforms party,to saves you, and i tolds them we weres sorry that the tyrants had to take out the Gween HQ, but it doesnt matters nobody theres anyway
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i talks to theses reformed eco terrorists fwwog on de phone and they seys sorry to come in on the this channel, but was it oks on the passportd if theys gays, in like in that loves club so i says to thems on yo behalf yeahs that fine yous eco terrorists and yous in the clubs and some of yous is the wogs thats gweat you comes soon as you cans cos after the 17th
copulds get slightly more difficults .. but for jeez akes you donts call the boss hitlers or youse nevers get in .. some peoples even reckons he shuts us in so.. we cants get the dollars to go oz .. you gots to help us fwwogs ..
i know yopus peoples dont give a fwwogs ear abouts money but the first times ever we gets the tax break and the tyrant deflate the moneys
value .. jeez fwwogs .. imagine having to twade the nz$ for an OOZ dollar .. i starts crying agains fwwog you know the fwwogs and the twees nice thats why we gives you yours 10 per cents fwwog and this what you best do fwwogs, we works out all the moneys there and we divides it ups by votes see, now yous gets about ten pewr cents of the ways things gets done, all this is post tyrant of course, and it straight forward to arrange .. soon as i gets my peoples to gives yous peoples the ten per cents i dont thinks even a fwwog turns it downn its fwee we agwe to apportiions yoz ten% of the budgets to the viraments thing thats we can supports .. the peoples in this sytem they never talks to the tyrants we donts ever trade with the tyrants yous can say this abouty hides he donts trade with the tyrnats now i want yopuse to consider because from where I can see yous got ten per cent and yoz s leader in bed with the wong woman
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i reads about yous fwwogs mn things and the peoples saying that you more likely deaden like when the dirt come in your frog lung thing
and so i see why yous kikken abouts rivers ffwog .. if me fwwog i join Gwwens to .. and so why dont you say how much it cost to fix them cos you know in the ends fwogs yuo mights not be worths it .. i mean we just cants go round saviung all the bloody frogs can we .. yous gotsto get reals
then the peoples know what yous spending theirs money on .. and you dumb if you just clean up the rivers that maori want .. maori is represented by hisself so why you donts leave him alone he big boys now
just do the river thing gets yoself rids of rod retires him sends him to stockholms with helenwasglad the youngs people losing theirs respect for yous .. and i sowwy to tewll yous but true
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fwwog .. yous there fwwogs .. sorryto kep interrupt on yo hibernations fwwog but the ecopterrorists just rings me back and so i asks thems on the off chance you know whether they like to play cwickets, because apparently that dude tony blair wents and captures the portugal rock thing so to keep islam away n british n that and yes these dudes do plays cwicket fwwog just like the brit . says to them youse cant gets scot passport do yous ity best if yous half scot and half maori, they says look we part brit, parts wog , but dfont yi sees fwwog these dudes gween terror
reformists we sendem to zugabe and they attacks and the peoples they risen up like the big happy edmond cake with jesus in the sky
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peterdeluded….lay off the meth, eh..it’s doing your head in…
phil(whoar.co.nz)
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i wants to thanks all yo readers fwwog for believing in NZ, we acutely aware that fwwogs can help us save the gaia .. i donts wanted to talk about the dead coyote agains others than to say .. we cans always
splice some new chromasome into coyopte to revives in thwee years ..
you gotsta remember that the weakened helenwasglad looks for a way to tells people that pete hodg bwain collapse and he dontsa read numberrs
he very tired yo man pete hodg .. he cants go on any mores he tells helen
he lost the fire in the belly ..
well so thats you do soon as out hibernation fwwogs .. and you gets costings fwom jeanettes on her rivers .. we wants to tells the peoples at epom that we supports Gween in out hearts but not pockets fwog
nopt until we gets approval .. its no use say to the streamlined mainstream middle class we love river if yous boss say we like mussol mini ..
yo support is vital for the futures of NZ fwwogs asnd we needs you to gets the concencus
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now a campaigns joke fwwog
napoleon in the middle of the 1806 triumps go into saloons at night gets the woman
i study his domestic method of seduction
when womans come thay knock at his door .. he say
” come in .. get undwessed and get into bed”
thats all he say dudes
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jeez that close papa nearly catch me on his computer .. on the way to the chopping and back him get more coal for the fires .. he donts like me on his compouter m.. he says i get yous in the computyer yous gets the biggest section 59 yous ever had the bum
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ok phil u tell me whats part of campaign irrational and we give it away
i challenge you and we see who know
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Is this the frog blog or the peter pan blog ?
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fogg yo fogg .. i always give yuo uplink same channel fog..
bwash agwee to epom, we gets epom. and one or twos minister depending, also we have to take any anger fwom the peoples .. to protect bwashhe worry about yo a bits fwwog .. we donts see harry belmont leaving town fwwog .. so thats leaves you fwogg .. why donts to go over to NAT and talks about the river fwwog .. i tells him foe jeex sake dons Maori been swimming in the streams befores we gets here .. you shouts yous colonial mouths on Maori you shut youres face if yous donts knopws what you says ..
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more good news fwwogs i gets my winz case manager on to looks at the siter and she give me life benefits, and fwee trips to the psych tryst
for fwwiends who sad
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jesus what is he on? where does he find the time to write these? I know I certainly didn’t spend the time to read any of them.
Should frogblog delete his contributions? I don’t think anyone would disagree that he is spoiling the otherwise excellent comments threads on this blog by disrupting the flow with utter gibberish
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