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	<title>Comments on: Defending Kyoto</title>
	<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/06/28/defending-kyoto/</link>
	<description>hopping along the corridors of power</description>
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		<title>By: dbuckley</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/06/28/defending-kyoto/#comment-1248</link>
		<dc:creator>dbuckley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2005 02:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/06/28/defending-kyoto/#comment-1248</guid>
		<description>There is allegedly a pellet plant in Auckland as well, and two more plants (to mix metaphores) in the pipeline.  I'm not far from Chch and have a pellet fire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is allegedly a pellet plant in Auckland as well, and two more plants (to mix metaphores) in the pipeline.  I&#8217;m not far from Chch and have a pellet fire.</p>
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		<title>By: bjchip</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/06/28/defending-kyoto/#comment-1238</link>
		<dc:creator>bjchip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/06/28/defending-kyoto/#comment-1238</guid>
		<description>Ok. Dutch(?) and Quixotish, and I really don't understand either one of you, though I almost figured out the Dutch.  :-)

There are several things to consider and to do:

1.  NZ cannot abandon Kyoto.  Clean-Green-NZ pulling out of the treaty would  damage its prospects for implementation in the rest of the world fatally.   There's a cost that is not readily counted, of being the greenest country on the planet.    (Which makes us the greenest people in the greenest country on the planet :-) !

2.  NZ must prepare for the end of cheap oil, and gas, and petrol and diesel by building more wind power stations, a better grid, more insulated (fewer rented) housing, more hydro power and biofuel infrastructure.  

3.  In pushing number 2 NZ also gets back towards the point of having credits to sell, making the cost of Kyoto bearable.   If in addition to those, we encourage the forestry industry (and everyone else) to plant trees the credits will flow and the money will flow back.   At least for a while.  


Wood Pellet Fires:

A note on biofuels.   Wood pellet fires are between 10 and 20% more efficient than the best woodburners, reduce particulate emissions and provide the sort of automatic control that lends itself to actual central heating and thermostatic control of home temperatures.   This is a big part of the appeal of gas... it can be had with wood.    Wow, the 20th century finally reaches NZ!  :-) 

There is exactly one producer of pellets, in Christchurch (I think).  They don't provide service to Wellington, and there's no backup facility.  This makes it chancy to install pellet fires anywhere but ChCh or Dunedin.   

Use of wood for heating to replace electricity and particularly gas needs to be encouraged, as it is CO2 neutral.   The government should find a way to provide some redundancy and reliability in the production and marketing of pellets.   This would encourage the forestry sector (a new market for what is usually simply waste), and push us further along the path to management of peak-oil and Kyoto obligations.   

respectfully 
BJ

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok. Dutch(?) and Quixotish, and I really don&#8217;t understand either one of you, though I almost figured out the Dutch.  <img src='http://blog.greens.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>There are several things to consider and to do:</p>
<p>1.  NZ cannot abandon Kyoto.  Clean-Green-NZ pulling out of the treaty would  damage its prospects for implementation in the rest of the world fatally.   There&#8217;s a cost that is not readily counted, of being the greenest country on the planet.    (Which makes us the greenest people in the greenest country on the planet <img src='http://blog.greens.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> !</p>
<p>2.  NZ must prepare for the end of cheap oil, and gas, and petrol and diesel by building more wind power stations, a better grid, more insulated (fewer rented) housing, more hydro power and biofuel infrastructure.  </p>
<p>3.  In pushing number 2 NZ also gets back towards the point of having credits to sell, making the cost of Kyoto bearable.   If in addition to those, we encourage the forestry industry (and everyone else) to plant trees the credits will flow and the money will flow back.   At least for a while.  </p>
<p>Wood Pellet Fires:</p>
<p>A note on biofuels.   Wood pellet fires are between 10 and 20% more efficient than the best woodburners, reduce particulate emissions and provide the sort of automatic control that lends itself to actual central heating and thermostatic control of home temperatures.   This is a big part of the appeal of gas&#8230; it can be had with wood.    Wow, the 20th century finally reaches NZ!  <img src='http://blog.greens.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>There is exactly one producer of pellets, in Christchurch (I think).  They don&#8217;t provide service to Wellington, and there&#8217;s no backup facility.  This makes it chancy to install pellet fires anywhere but ChCh or Dunedin.   </p>
<p>Use of wood for heating to replace electricity and particularly gas needs to be encouraged, as it is CO2 neutral.   The government should find a way to provide some redundancy and reliability in the production and marketing of pellets.   This would encourage the forestry sector (a new market for what is usually simply waste), and push us further along the path to management of peak-oil and Kyoto obligations.   </p>
<p>respectfully<br />
BJ</p>
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		<title>By: peterquixote</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/06/28/defending-kyoto/#comment-1237</link>
		<dc:creator>peterquixote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2005 10:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/06/28/defending-kyoto/#comment-1237</guid>
		<description>no we not kikken at the fwwog we just talking in tongues about the tyrant .. we get rid tyrasnt whatever .. ya gotyta give on kyoto for thwee years  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no we not kikken at the fwwog we just talking in tongues about the tyrant .. we get rid tyrasnt whatever .. ya gotyta give on kyoto for thwee years</p>
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		<title>By: fastbike</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/06/28/defending-kyoto/#comment-1236</link>
		<dc:creator>fastbike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2005 09:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/06/28/defending-kyoto/#comment-1236</guid>
		<description>Peter said:

"vind slecht over Kyoto kikker wij u committedd kennen maar toen was er het verbonden graan youse was zo overtuigd en de droefheid gaat kikker u doet weg het goede werk kikker aangaande Waitaki zonder yo het grote pijpen en spoorwegpost zonder kikkers en kikkers fwiends.. is"

Peter, why don't you show the depth of your intellect and post in another language that more than one person can understand :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter said:</p>
<p>&#8220;vind slecht over Kyoto kikker wij u committedd kennen maar toen was er het verbonden graan youse was zo overtuigd en de droefheid gaat kikker u doet weg het goede werk kikker aangaande Waitaki zonder yo het grote pijpen en spoorwegpost zonder kikkers en kikkers fwiends.. is&#8221;</p>
<p>Peter, why don&#8217;t you show the depth of your intellect and post in another language that more than one person can understand <img src='http://blog.greens.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: peterquixote</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/06/28/defending-kyoto/#comment-1224</link>
		<dc:creator>peterquixote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2005 03:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/06/28/defending-kyoto/#comment-1224</guid>
		<description>feel bad about kyoto fwog we knows you committedd but then there was the spliced corn youse was so convinced and the sadness go away fwog you do good work fwog on the Waitaki 
without yo it be big pipes and railway station without fwogs and fwogs fwiends   .. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>feel bad about kyoto fwog we knows you committedd but then there was the spliced corn youse was so convinced and the sadness go away fwog you do good work fwog on the Waitaki<br />
without yo it be big pipes and railway station without fwogs and fwogs fwiends   ..</p>
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		<title>By: peterquixote</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/06/28/defending-kyoto/#comment-1222</link>
		<dc:creator>peterquixote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2005 03:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/06/28/defending-kyoto/#comment-1222</guid>
		<description>sowwy again fwog i just realise amphibian no ears to ear mark  that weird fwog i study evolution how you hear about thing with no ear</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sowwy again fwog i just realise amphibian no ears to ear mark  that weird fwog i study evolution how you hear about thing with no ear</p>
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		<title>By: peterquixote</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/06/28/defending-kyoto/#comment-1221</link>
		<dc:creator>peterquixote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2005 03:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/06/28/defending-kyoto/#comment-1221</guid>
		<description>sowwy fwog but no cigar that money ear marked for conservation fund</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sowwy fwog but no cigar that money ear marked for conservation fund</p>
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		<title>By: bjchip</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/06/28/defending-kyoto/#comment-1214</link>
		<dc:creator>bjchip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2005 01:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/06/28/defending-kyoto/#comment-1214</guid>
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Tattoo this site in your brain.    </description>
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<p>Tattoo this site in your brain.</p>
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