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		<title>By: phil u</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/06/19/declaring-your-hand/#comment-1035</link>
		<dc:creator>phil u</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>frog..does the term &#039;sign-up&#039; also include confidence and supply..?

yours in transperancy and need for clarification..

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<p>frog..does the term &#8216;sign-up&#8217; also include confidence and supply..?</p>
<p>yours in transperancy and need for clarification..</p>
<p>phil(whoar.co.nz)</p>
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		<title>By: frog</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/06/19/declaring-your-hand/#comment-1021</link>
		<dc:creator>frog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 20:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil: as far as I&#039;m aware, the only things Rod and Jeanette have said is:
1) Our first preference is a government that only contains Labour and the Greens (i.e. &quot;a clean government&quot;);
2) The Greens would not sign up to any government which implemented NZ First&#039;s divisive immigration policy.

The key is the policy platform.</description>
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<p>Phil: as far as I&#8217;m aware, the only things Rod and Jeanette have said is:<br />
1) Our first preference is a government that only contains Labour and the Greens (i.e. &#8220;a clean government&#8221;);<br />
2) The Greens would not sign up to any government which implemented NZ First&#8217;s divisive immigration policy.</p>
<p>The key is the policy platform.</p>
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		<title>By: peterquixote</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/06/19/declaring-your-hand/#comment-991</link>
		<dc:creator>peterquixote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2005 06:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greens are left wing Frog, and left wing belief is dying throughout the world
We are having to build our own Green within the centre right frog because present Green is a basically like a religion..   
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<p>Greens are left wing Frog, and left wing belief is dying throughout the world<br />
We are having to build our own Green within the centre right frog because present Green is a basically like a religion..</p>
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		<title>By: phil u</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/06/19/declaring-your-hand/#comment-987</link>
		<dc:creator>phil u</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2005 21:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey frog..any chance of clarification on the question i asked re greens doing a swerve on a full coalition, but giving confidence and supply to a govt containing peters..?

thanks..</description>
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<p>hey frog..any chance of clarification on the question i asked re greens doing a swerve on a full coalition, but giving confidence and supply to a govt containing peters..?</p>
<p>thanks..</p>
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		<title>By: bjchip</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/06/19/declaring-your-hand/#comment-980</link>
		<dc:creator>bjchip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2005 19:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is my first NZ election.  It appears to be almost as potentially bizarre in results as the elections in the states.  The difference however is instructive.   I too wish the hands were open to inspect, but labour is &quot;hoist on its own petard&quot;.    That could put the greens out of power, as the election result could be a coalition out of the right that is just fractionally larger than the coalition on the left.  

Funny how I seem to remember something very like that result back home.  The difference is that the green vote doesn&#039;t take anything away from labour.... as green and labour are able to  work together, but a vote for Nader was a vote against Gore.   

The question to be answered by the Greens is why the voters do not resonate with OUR message, but instead are so ready to listen to Winston?     It isn&#039;t JUST an inability to see the nastiness inherent in the Peters position (why does this sound like a cartoon in the making). 

Politics is the art of the possible.  I think we&#039;d best recognize that a platform of peace doesn&#039;t mean that we can ignore the possibility of war, and a platform that promises adherence to the treaty cannot ignore the divisive nature of the document that unites us as New Zealanders.   

( Lets face it we have a policy paper on industrial use of hemp and no policies on defense OR immigration? )

As to why Winston Peters exists.   In a sense, he is a creation of the treaty itself. 

Sorry... drifting off topic here.

The parties could tell us all who they were willing to dance with, but the electoral &quot;cake&quot; is going to be sliced rather thinly, and even the smallest party can have a voice.   The possible outcomes are not going to be easily computed, but the numbers look bad yet again.    

We&#039;d best start considering how we will function if those numbers go against us.  

respectfully 
BJ


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<p>This is my first NZ election.  It appears to be almost as potentially bizarre in results as the elections in the states.  The difference however is instructive.   I too wish the hands were open to inspect, but labour is &#8220;hoist on its own petard&#8221;.    That could put the greens out of power, as the election result could be a coalition out of the right that is just fractionally larger than the coalition on the left.  </p>
<p>Funny how I seem to remember something very like that result back home.  The difference is that the green vote doesn&#8217;t take anything away from labour&#8230;. as green and labour are able to  work together, but a vote for Nader was a vote against Gore.   </p>
<p>The question to be answered by the Greens is why the voters do not resonate with OUR message, but instead are so ready to listen to Winston?     It isn&#8217;t JUST an inability to see the nastiness inherent in the Peters position (why does this sound like a cartoon in the making). </p>
<p>Politics is the art of the possible.  I think we&#8217;d best recognize that a platform of peace doesn&#8217;t mean that we can ignore the possibility of war, and a platform that promises adherence to the treaty cannot ignore the divisive nature of the document that unites us as New Zealanders.   </p>
<p>( Lets face it we have a policy paper on industrial use of hemp and no policies on defense OR immigration? )</p>
<p>As to why Winston Peters exists.   In a sense, he is a creation of the treaty itself. </p>
<p>Sorry&#8230; drifting off topic here.</p>
<p>The parties could tell us all who they were willing to dance with, but the electoral &#8220;cake&#8221; is going to be sliced rather thinly, and even the smallest party can have a voice.   The possible outcomes are not going to be easily computed, but the numbers look bad yet again.    </p>
<p>We&#8217;d best start considering how we will function if those numbers go against us.  </p>
<p>respectfully<br />
BJ</p>
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		<title>By: joy</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/06/19/declaring-your-hand/#comment-978</link>
		<dc:creator>joy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2005 11:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have not forgotten Winston&#039;s shenanigans back in 1996 nor have I forgotten his coalition with National.   The man is indeed the &#039;poisoned chalice&#039;.
Yes, I do strongly prefer the parties to give some indication as to whom they feel they could or would work co-operatively with. </description>
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<p>I have not forgotten Winston&#8217;s shenanigans back in 1996 nor have I forgotten his coalition with National.   The man is indeed the &#8216;poisoned chalice&#8217;.<br />
Yes, I do strongly prefer the parties to give some indication as to whom they feel they could or would work co-operatively with.</p>
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		<title>By: phil u</title>
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		<dc:creator>phil u</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2005 06:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>david farrar is saying the greens have not ruled out supporting a govt with nz first in it...only that they would not be part of that govt.

could we have some clarification on this please..would the greens give confidence and supply to a govt containing nz first..?

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<p>david farrar is saying the greens have not ruled out supporting a govt with nz first in it&#8230;only that they would not be part of that govt.</p>
<p>could we have some clarification on this please..would the greens give confidence and supply to a govt containing nz first..?</p>
<p>phil(whoar.co.nz)</p>
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