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		<title>By: Last Straw  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; May Day</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/05/01/yeah-were-on-to-it/#comment-1169</link>
		<dc:creator>Last Straw  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; May Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2005 15:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] oints to another report damning the NZ Labour Government’s tertiary education policy and goes on to expose the government&#8217;s hollow rhetoric on the matter. I&amp;#821 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] oints to another report damning the NZ Labour Government’s tertiary education policy and goes on to expose the government&#8217;s hollow rhetoric on the matter. I&amp;#821 [...]
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		<title>By: icehawk</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/05/01/yeah-were-on-to-it/#comment-293</link>
		<dc:creator>icehawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 May 2005 23:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christiaan,

The loan scheme was set up under Phil Goff as minister of education during the Lange/Roger Douglas Labour regime.  The claim at the time was that anything less than market interest rates would disrupt the free market in credit, eg causing students to &#039;max out their loans in order to pay down their mortgages&#039;.  ACT has made similar claims since.

This &#039;logic&#039; (and I use the word loosely) has not been used anywhere else in the Western world: as a result we ended up with a student loan scheme that even Americans consider draconian (USA has a much kinder federal student loan scheme than ours).  Quite how the supporters of market-like interest rates failed to notice that overseas loans scheme don&#039;t hit the problems that claimed were &#039;inevitable&#039; I won&#039;t go into.

The student loan scheme has been tweaked since, but the basic history is that is started draconion so minor changes haven&#039;t yet made a really big difference.  

A further complication is that student debt is turning into a major part of the govt&#039;s debt, so lowering interest is now a major budget-shock to the govt.  This is the &#039;intertia&#039; problem - the longer the loan scheme goes on, the more is owed by more people, the harder it is to change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christiaan,</p>
<p>The loan scheme was set up under Phil Goff as minister of education during the Lange/Roger Douglas Labour regime.  The claim at the time was that anything less than market interest rates would disrupt the free market in credit, eg causing students to &#8216;max out their loans in order to pay down their mortgages&#8217;.  ACT has made similar claims since.</p>
<p>This &#8216;logic&#8217; (and I use the word loosely) has not been used anywhere else in the Western world: as a result we ended up with a student loan scheme that even Americans consider draconian (USA has a much kinder federal student loan scheme than ours).  Quite how the supporters of market-like interest rates failed to notice that overseas loans scheme don&#8217;t hit the problems that claimed were &#8216;inevitable&#8217; I won&#8217;t go into.</p>
<p>The student loan scheme has been tweaked since, but the basic history is that is started draconion so minor changes haven&#8217;t yet made a really big difference.  </p>
<p>A further complication is that student debt is turning into a major part of the govt&#8217;s debt, so lowering interest is now a major budget-shock to the govt.  This is the &#8216;intertia&#8217; problem &#8211; the longer the loan scheme goes on, the more is owed by more people, the harder it is to change.
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		<title>By: Last Straw</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/05/01/yeah-were-on-to-it/#comment-288</link>
		<dc:creator>Last Straw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 May 2005 16:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;May Day&lt;/strong&gt;

For those of you who don&#039;t know May Day is a celebration of the social and economic achievements of the western labour movement....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>May Day</strong></p>
<p>For those of you who don&#8217;t know May Day is a celebration of the social and economic achievements of the western labour movement&#8230;.
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		<title>By: christiaan</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2005/05/01/yeah-were-on-to-it/#comment-286</link>
		<dc:creator>christiaan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 May 2005 12:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I&#039;d like to know is the history behind and the justifications given for charging a rate of interest anything more than inflation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I&#8217;d like to know is the history behind and the justifications given for charging a rate of interest anything more than inflation.
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